Re: [Classicrendezvous] Which Holdsworth do I have?


From: "Thomas Adams" <kctommy@email.MSN.COM>
To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Which Holdsworth do I have?
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:48:57 -0500


-----Original Message----- From: Donald Dundee <rebour@hotmail.com> To: KCTOMMY@email.msn.com <KCTOMMY@email.msn.com>; Cino1947@aol.com <Cino1947@aol.com>; Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Date: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Which Holdsworth do I have?


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>However, contrary to popular generalizations that "British cycles can be
>built up with just about anything", which, I guess for the most part is
>true, Holdworths were an exception.
>
>W.F. Holdsworth Ltd., were importers in the UK for Campagnolo equipment,
>Fiamme Bars/Stems/Rims, Regina chains and freewheels and D'Allesandro
>tubulars, and most of their high-end cycles (Professional, Team
>Professional, Cyclone, ) were equipped with Italian gear, with the usual
>exception of Weinmann brakes and (sometimes) GB brakes.
>

Undoubtedly true in GB, but the Holdsworths I've seen in the states were usually bought as frames only and thus would be built up to the customer's specs. Of course it's possible that the Holdsworth shop I hung out at was run by wierdos and that most Holdsworths were sold as complete Campy bikes. As always, liberal grains of salt are required when digesting anectodal evidence.

BTW, the Cirrus Seven I acquired has honest to gosh wrapped seatstays, so another itch from my impecunious youth is scratched! The quest for a Reynolds fork for a 60 cm frame continues.

Tom Adams Working instead of riding on a beautiful Kansas City fall day. Where did I go wrong?


>Ken Denny
>Boston, Massachusetts
>(home of boring, televised, prepackaged-and-delivered-to-your-living- room
>Presidential debates)
>
>>From: "KCTOMMY" <KCTOMMY@email.msn.com>
>>To: <Cino1947@aol.com>, <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>>Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Which Holdsworth do I have?
>>Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:39:07 -0500
>>
>>Holdsworth normally were sold as both built bikes and frames. Most of the
>>ones I've seen in the US were bare frames, so there's no "right" component
>>group for it. Being English, it would probably have been built with Campy
>>from the era, but could have been built French ala the Raleigh Record Ace
>>from '73. In the US around Detroit I saw several in the late 70's early
>>80's built with high end Japanese stuff, Dura Ace or Cyclone/Superbe.
>>
>> I'm guessing that the bike is late 70's early 80's, from the braze ons.
>>Early 70's didn't have any brazeons to speak of, while down tube shifter
>>bosses that your frame is missing came in around '79-'80.
>>
>>Tom Adams, going to bed in Kansas City
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Cino1947@aol.com <Cino1947@aol.com>
>>To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>>Date: Monday, October 02, 2000 8:49 PM
>>Subject: [Classicrendezvous] Which Holdsworth do I have?
>>
>>
>> >About ten years ago, I found a never -built Holdsworth frame in Roy's
>> >Sheepshead Cycle in Brooklyn. It has never been built and I'm wondering
>>what
>> >is its model name or year of manufacture, and what kind of componentry
>>might
>> >have come on it.
>> >It is Reynolds 531, kind of a turquoise blue, serial #023015 ,with
>>wraparound
>> >seatstays and no dropout eyelets. Braze-ons include TT cable guides, DT
>> >waterbottle, single DT stop for clamp-on shifters, and top of BB cable
>>guides.
>> >Is anybody in the group a Holdsworth guru or knows where to find out
>>this
>> >info?
>> >Thanks,
>> >Josh Berger