Re: [Classicrendezvous] Ciocc Time Trial bike

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From: "Tim & Jen" <>
To: <>, "Lee Berg" <>
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Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Ciocc Time Trial bike
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 03:19:45 -0400

Hi Lee,

True most of the pictures I have come across from almost evey year shows them on Concorde bikes but I have not seen any photes of them in the time trial. I'm not sure if this was a situation where the TT bike were Ciocc labled as concorde(like the Serotta "huffys" of some 7-11 riders) or whether they used the Ciocc bike for the time trials or if the bike was used by certain individuals on the team. Of course this could have been just blatent commercialism by Ciocc to capitalize on a top team. You don't by any chance have any bike mags that cover the Tour de France from the late '80s do you?

Thanks, Tim Carter
> Tim,
> I remember in the early '90s that PDM rode Concorde frames. I have a 1991 PDM
> team poster (with Breukink, Alcala, Kelly, van Poppel, etc.) that features
> Concorde bikes. Do you have any photos showing PDM riders on Ciocc frames?
> Lee Berg
> Palo Alto, Calif.
> Tim & Jen wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Ok I admit this is boarderline on this list but here goes. I recently bought a Ciocc time trial frame and was wondering if I could get any info on it. I am not sure of the exact age but it is done in the team PDM colors (they were around from '86-'92). The previous owner, who picked it up second hand, thought late '80s. The frame is Oria CSS 52 tubing-any info on this tubing or maker would be great too-and features a downward angled toptube, seattube that bends in for the rear wheel and flat shifter braze on mounted on the top of the downtube with internal routing (rear brake cable is external but set at about 5 o'clock). It has a front fork for a 650c wheel. I want to build it to period and was hoping I could narrow down the date a little bit-handle bar configuration is one of my biggest questions as that seemed to change rapidly in the 80's. My thoughts are to do it with C-record stuff. Ideas? Opinions?.....
> >
> > Also any photos of PDM in time trials would be appreciated (I have a good collection of Winning magazines from 83-87 but could not find any good photos). And I would love to get my hands on an XL PDM jersey. Racers on the team included:
> > S Kelly 89-91
> > Breukink 90-92
> > Alcala 89-92
> > Van Poppel 91-92
> > Earley 89-92
> > Raab 90-92
> > Delgado 86-87
> > Knetemann 86
> > van der Poel 87-88
> > Rooks 87-88 they also had Koerts, den Bakker, and van Petegem in 92 and LeMond in 88
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tim "riding on wet roads today" Carter