Hi Richard,
Didn't lose me! Especially with that Woody Allen reference - my all time favorite scene in Annie Hall, too! I even have that film in 16mm and show it every year or so in my backyard on a white sheet hanging off the back of the house. I never tire of it! You are welcome to borrow it.
Jill
> marc...
> here's my explanation: without question, the 4/10 thing
> refers to wall thickness. just as my example of a butted
> SL tube could be stated: 9/10x6/10x9/10, (.09x.06x.09), OR
> a butted SP tube could be: 1.0x.07x1.0. to me, there is no
> dispute regarding what the aforementioned '4/10ths'
> means. what i do not agree with, having explained the
> above, is that colnago (or anyone then), was using any
> tubes, anyplace, that were .04mm in thickness, either as
> straight guage tubes, or as the center guage in butted
> tubes. in other words, those mexico specs say 4/10 record
> tubes (by the way, i have those catalogs here, too), but
> neither are they that guage, nor that tubing.
> i will agree that when the mexico model itself begat??
> it's updates, it resembled it's predecessors less and less.
> i may appear cynical about this, but i'm not. i recall
> that all these changes occurred during the 70's at the
> height of the bike boom, when colnago was beginning
> the ramp up from frame shop to major bicycle industry
> player. few of his peers, then, notched it up at his rate
> of speed. i believe it all came down to presentation;
> prior to all this, all colnago had was the one model,
> the super. by the late 70's he (they) added the international,
> the mexico, the export, the mexico, the mexico oro,
> the neuvo mexico, frames with saronni decals, frames
> with de vlaeminck, those atrocious colners with the
> spade, rather than the club, logo..
> my point is that the mexico model initially was
> a gussied up, updated version of the super, a model
> which had run its course, marketing-wise. eventually,
> the features i site in my last post...tube shapes, plating,
> graphics, etc., would more easily distinguish mexicos
> from supers. but this tie-in with the record tubing or the
> 4/10ths thing just doesn't cut it with me. i don't care
> what the catalogs say...all the descriptions say, 'specially
> hand made and refined finish...' too! and i didn't
> take that passage literally either.
> get ernie on the phone, that's the only way to get
> to 3rd base here...kinda' reminds me of woody allen
> in 'annie hall', when he mysteriously pulls marshall
> macluhan out of the wings to address some so-called
> expert on marshall macluhan who was popping off
> about the man while all involved in the scene were
> waiting for movie tickets. have i lost everyone here?
> e-RICHIE
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> On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:56:12 -0700 Marc Boral <mbikealive@earthlink.net>
> writes:
> >Chuck and Richard seem to be of the opinion that "4/10 Record" refers
> >to the
> >guage/thickness. However I do not see the logic. Record tubes are
> >0.5 mm. for
> >triangle tubes and all stays, and 0.8 for the head tube. How do you
> >derive at the "4"
> >in "4/10" pertaining to thickness? I was also told by Colnago that
> >Record tubing was
> >specked in only certain tubes on the frame, not throughout. So this
> >is why I believe
> >that "4/10" refers to how many Record tubes were used. Please submit
> >your input,
> >because I certainly do not want to share incorrect info.
> >
> >Marc Boral
> >
> >Chuck Schmidt wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Marc,
> >>
> >> "4/10 Record" refers to the thickness of the tubing, not the number
> >of
> >> tubes in the frame...
> >>
> >> Chuck Schmidt
> >> South Pasadena, California
> >> http://www.velo-retro.com (list of t-shirts on site)
> >>
> >> Marc Boral wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi Dale and CR,
> >> >
> >> > Most of my knowledge about earlier Colnagos comes from older
> >Colnago literature,
> >> > but some comes from having 25-30 Colnagos in my collection :-).
> >So assuming the
> >> > literature is correct, here is little info about Mexico vs.
> >Super.
> >> >
> >> > Mexico framesets first appeared in '75/'76. They were constructed
> >of Columbus
> >> > Record & SL tubing. My early catalog refers to "4/10 Record".
> >This refers to
> >> > the 10 tubes used to make a frameset, not including the steerer.
> >I assume it
> >> > means that four tubes are Record, and the rest are SL. The
> >problem is that the
> >> > catalog doesn't refer to which tubes are the Record tubes.
> >(snip)