Re: [Classicrendezvous] Mexico vs Super (was: Colnago quality)

(Example: Framebuilding:Norris Lockley)

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 05:19:44 +0100
Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Mexico vs Super (was: Colnago quality)
From: "Hilary Stone" <Hilary.Stone@Tesco.net>
To: gregparker1 <GregParker1@compuserve.com>, John Taglia <jtagli1@uic.edu>
CC: gregparker1 <110404.153@compuserve.com>, Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org


I think that CR members are forgetting that these are photographs simply shot for effect m­ for the ad or mag article. When we did an article at Cycling Plus on how the Raleigh Super Randonneur frame and bike were built at Raleigh Special Products a bottom bracket was nearly melted whilst some pictures were taken. The frame was of course thrown away. Hilary Stone

----------

>From: gregparker1 <GregParker1@compuserve.com>

>To: John Taglia <jtagli1@uic.edu>

>Cc: gregparker1 <110404.153@compuserve.com>, Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

>Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Mexico vs Super (was: Colnago quality)

>Date: Tue, Oct 17, 2000, 1:43 am

>


> John:

>

> Depends on the brazing alloy being used and just how "red" it was. I

> remember Eddy had

> an ad in the cycling mags. when he set up shop having frames built with his
name

> on them after retirement, and the ad showed an orange-hot BB area. Looked

> a little

> toasty to me, but steel is remarkably tolerant of heat (up to a point, of

> course...).

> I suspect that more joints fail on steel lugged frames due to insufficient

> heating than due

> to overheating. Pro builders, any input on that subject? Of course,

> inputting just the right

> amount of heat to get a 100% sound joint without going too hot will result

> in the least amount

> of annealing & reduction in toughness of the tubing, and is where the ace

> builder's skill

> comes into play!

>

> Greg "only built two framesets total, so no expert am I" Parker

>

> -------------Forwarded Message-----------------

>

> From: John Taglia, INTERNET:jtagli1@uic.edu

> To: , INTERNET:Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

>

> Date: 10/16/00 8:08 PM

>

> RE: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Mexico vs Super (was: Colnago quality)

>

>

> The entire BB and surrounding tubes and bright red?

>

> At 07:14 PM 10/16/2000 -0400, gregparker1 wrote:

>><snip>

>>

>>I think a silly early '80's that Colnago ran spoke tons about the emphasis

>>of marketing over quality. The ad showed a relieved Colnago bottom bracket

>>being heated by a torch,heated cherry red. Yup, that's quality.

>>

>><snip>

>>

>>Welllll..... Dull cherry is appropriate for silver-brazed joints at temp.

>>Orange-ish would be right for some brass alloys. Good thing it wasn't

> white-hot!

>>

>>Greg Parker

>>

>>

>>_______________________________________________


>>

>>

>>

>>

>>----------------------- Internet Header --------------------------------

>>Sender: classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org

>>Received: from catfood.nt.phred.org (catfood.phred.org [216.39.149.190])

>> by spdmgaab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) with ESMTP id QAA14196

>> for <gregparker1@compuserve.com>; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:59:34 -0400 (EDT)

>>Received: from phred.org ([216.39.149.189]) by catfood.nt.phred.org with

> Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2103);

>> Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:57:33 -0700

>>Received: from catfood.nt.phred.org (catfood.phred.org [216.39.149.190])

>> by phred.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA10461

>> for <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:59:18 -0700 (PDT)

>>Received: from eeyore.cc.uic.edu ([128.248.171.51]) by

> catfood.nt.phred.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2103);

>> Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:57:27 -0700

>>Received: from BENICE.UIC.EDU (dial0-119.dialin.uic.edu [128.248.170.152])

>> by eeyore.cc.uic.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA20872;

>> Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:59:10 -0500 (CDT)

>>Message-Id: <3.0.32.20001016155752.00a24684@icarus.uic.edu>

>>X-Sender: jtagli1@icarus.uic.edu

>>X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32)

>>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:57:54 -0500

>>To: OROBOYZ@aol.com

>>From: John Taglia <jtagli1@uic.edu>

>>Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Mexico vs Super (was: Colnago quality)

>>Cc: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

>>Mime-Version: 1.0

>>X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2000 20:57:28.0015 (UTC)

> FILETIME=[B15475F0:01C037B3]

>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>>Sender: classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org

>>Errors-To: classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org

>>X-Mailman-Version: 1.1

>>Precedence: bulk

>>List-Id: A sharing of vintage lightweight bicycle information and lore

> <classicrendezvous.bikelist.org>

>>X-BeenThere: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

>>

>>

>

>

> _______________________________________________


>

>

>

>

> ----------------------- Internet Header --------------------------------

> Sender: classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org

> Received: from catfood.nt.phred.org (catfood.phred.org [216.39.149.190])

> by sphmgaad.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) with ESMTP id UAA07883

> for <gregparker1@compuserve.com>; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:08:48 -0400 (EDT)

> Received: from phred.org ([216.39.149.189]) by catfood.nt.phred.org with

> Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2103);

> Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:06:51 -0700

> Received: from catfood.nt.phred.org (catfood.phred.org [216.39.149.190])

> by phred.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA12338

> for <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:08:36 -0700 (PDT)

> Received: from eeyore.cc.uic.edu ([128.248.171.51]) by catfood.nt.phred.org

> with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2103);

> Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:06:46 -0700

> Received: from BENICE.UIC.EDU (dial0-248.dialin.uic.edu [128.248.172.65])

> by eeyore.cc.uic.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA18785

> for <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:08:35 -0500 (CDT)

> Message-Id: <3.0.32.20001016190717.00a24680@icarus.uic.edu>

> X-Sender: jtagli1@icarus.uic.edu

> X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32)

> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:07:19 -0500

> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

> From: John Taglia <jtagli1@uic.edu>

> Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Mexico vs Super (was: Colnago quality)

> Mime-Version: 1.0

> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2000 00:06:46.0562 (UTC)
FILETIME=[238D3020:01C037CE]

> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

> Sender: classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org

> Errors-To: classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org

> X-Mailman-Version: 1.1

> Precedence: bulk

> List-Id: A sharing of vintage lightweight bicycle information and lore

> <classicrendezvous.bikelist.org>

> X-BeenThere: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org