[Classicrendezvous] All ads should have asking prices right?

From: "brian blum" <brianblum@hotmail.com>
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:16:12 GMT
Subject: [Classicrendezvous] All ads should have asking prices right?

There has been a rash of ads without prices this week, don't we have a policy to state the price? I find the statement Unreasonable offers will be discarded Distasteful. Why not ask a reasonable neogotiable price. Brian Blum

- From: "Peter" <prkbikes@erols.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:48:59 -0400 Subject: [Classicrendezvous] Re:FS: 1975 Raleigh Professional

FOR SALE 1975 Raleigh Professional Mink Blue and Silver. 53cm c-c, 56 TT. Has beenridden for a number of years. Has a Dura Ace Front Derailleur,(firstgeneration), A set of replacement wheels(non Campy hubs) on clincher rims. I only got a quick look at it. All the other equipment is original and in good condition albeit a little dirty. The frameset itself is in fair to good condition. It also has a set of Campag. #1037/A Road pedals on it. The woman that owns it wants to sell it but isn't sure of the current value. She wanted to use it as a Tri bike, but I convinced her that, that would be a gross mistake and that she is better off selling it. Reasonable offers willbe considered. Unreasonable offers will be discarded.

I will have a picture of it in a day or so .

Peter Koskinen Mayo, Md


Message: 2 From: "Takao Noda" <tanoda@d1.dion.ne.jp> To: "Classic Bike List" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] New Cycing magazine? Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:32:36 +0900

I am not subscribing New Cycling magazine, but reading them at my LBS. In 1980s-90s, it regularly introduced the subscribers' bicycles and some were published as a book" Mamonotati" on which were many Toei bicycles . I highly recommend you to get a copy. It costs about $20- plus shipping. I asked the publisher its availability and I know it is still in stock and he is willing to deal with foreign customers.The site of the publisher is here; http://www.ateneshobo.co.jp/mamonotati.htm And you can order by e-mail. info@ateneshobo.co.jp If you need my help, please let me know.

Takao Noda
Hachioji, Tokyo, Japan

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Chandler
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 8:46 AM
Subject: [Classicrendezvous] New Cycing magazine?

> On the Toei page (http://www.cyclesdeoro.com/Toei_main.htm), > there is mention of New Cycing magazine. Does ANYone know > how to get a copy of this magazine? It looks pretty interesting > judging from the pictures of that Toei. > > Oh, if you look at: > > http://www.cyclesdeoro.com/Toei_burg.htm > > Repeat after me, "I do not want another bike, I do not want another bike..." > > --mc > > -- > Mark Chandler Concord, CA velo@value.net > http://value.net/~velo > http://www.topica.com/lists/sensible-cycling/ > http://www.topica.com/lists/folding-bicycle/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Classicrendezvous mailing list > Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org > http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous >


Message: 3 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:06:10 -0700 To: Bob Hufford <bhufford@mail.orion.org>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org From: Monkeyman <monkey37@bluemarble.net> Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Re: Re: Raleigh Postman Bike, worth buying?

>I just sold a '78 Raleigh DL-1 that had this same "R" decal as well as >the Nottingham badge. Another decal (not seen well in the eBay pics) is >on the top of the top tube and states "Made in England". > >I assumed it meant the frame too ...

The facts as I have them for an older man that worked at the Raleigh plant in Kent, Washington. I can't remember the gentleman's name but I think he also worked for Raleigh in England. The facts as I was told are; if it has the stylized "R" on the seattube at least the frame was built in Asia (Taiwan in specific, I think), some of the other parts were built there too. The frames were sent to England to be painted, stickered, and built up. This is a cost saving measure used by many bike companies before and after this period. The "R" was placed on them to designate between the two kinds of Raleighs coming out of the factory. I've never seen a Roadster from this period that was other than a Rampar built frame, but I have seen Sports from this period with either the "R" of Raleigh Heron. Usually the bikes with the Sports with the "R" had mattress saddles and standard cranks, pedals, stems, ETC. The Sports with Raleigh Herons had Brooks saddles, Raleigh cranks, pedals, stems, ETC. Speaking on the headbadges, how many things do you see with a "made in USA" sticker that wasn't made in USA?

As I stated in the earlier post these "Roadsters" where created for the nostalgia market, which would explain the parts upgrade. My guess is the tooling for the 28" wheeled Roadster frames and rod brakes had been destroyed or sent "overseas" many years earlier and it was much cheaper to have the tooling redone in Taiwan. These Rampar/Raleigh Roadsters were only made for a few years so going with existing "outsider" tooling or manufacture saved the company many thousands of dollars. With that said there are maybe 1/100th the number of Rampar made bikes than the older bikes Raleigh made from the 30's to the 50's, so maybe in the future they'll be more collectible than the fully-english ones.

I'm not a Raleigh expert but I've worked in the industry for 15 years and know all the corners companies take to save a buck. If you want more info on the bike s see Sheldon Brown's web pages at: <http://www.sheldonbrown.com/oldbikes/index.html>. Or if you're in Seattle go see Val at The Bikesmith he's a Raleigh nut and was with me when this discussion about Rampart built bikes happened, he may also know what the guys name was.

enjoy, Brandon"now working in a pro road shop owned by Lance's personal wrench, but still loves old 3-speeds"Ives

PS: I would recomend that anyone that like "classic" bikes get themselves a Raleigh 3-speed of some kind, you'll be suprised.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nobody can do everything, but if everybody did something everything would get done. -Gil Scott Heron- !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Message: 4 From: "Hal" <hrudicil@triad.rr.com> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 07:29:42 -0400 Subject: [Classicrendezvous] RE Raleigh Postman (worth buying?)

While the Raleigh Tourist bike pictured on ebay may be of questionable value for buying, I can tell you it sure is a sweet ride. My dad purchased the same bike from a Raleigh Dealing friend of mine in 81. I was too busy then spending my time slaving on fine Italian machines to pay much attention to his bike. I did however install a Huret Multido Odometer on it for him the day we picked it up. He lives out of state now. A few years ago, on a visit, I was having ride withdrawal. His Tourist was the only thing around so I took it for a short 8-10 mile spin. It was sweet comfort to ride. As my big gear grinding days are past, I have thought about that bike, that ride. It sits in his garage unrusted gathering dust, and in pristine condition. I did spot one small moving scratch on it a year or so ago. It has 40-50 miles on the Multido. He's relinquished that the 30 or 40 miles he's put on it is enough training for him, and wants me to have it. Worth buying or not, I can't wait to visit him, knock off the dust, and rev up that Multido. That is one sweet ride.

Hal Rudicil Winston-Salem, NC Having fun before going to work on another beautiful Fall Day.


Message: 5 From: "Paulie Davis" <paulieflt@hotmail.com> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:03:47 GMT Subject: [Classicrendezvous] Beryl Burton on CR Tee

Jerry Moos <moos@penn.com> wrote:

>Before anyone goes too far with an alternate T-shirt design, maybe we >should get some feedback from the female members on what they think of a >Beryl Burton photo. Jill? Amanda? Sarah? Paulie? Karen?

Well Beryl was getting my vote, of course, until Aldo carried the day with his new version of the kiss. There are still tears in my eyes from laughing.

Now the obvious question from somebody who knows yet very little of cycling history (and who grew up with BB referring to Brigette Bardot, but lately thought it referred a bottom bracket [don't everybody get carried away with this line of thought!]): Can anyone send me to a site to quickly catch up on this celebrated BB's accomplishments?

OK, off to work in a drizzly Los Angeles!

Paulie "Newbie & Female" Davis