There has been a rash of ads without prices this week, don't we have a policy to state the price? I find the statement Unreasonable offers will be discarded Distasteful. Why not ask a reasonable neogotiable price. Brian Blum
- From: "Peter" <prkbikes@erols.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:48:59 -0400 Subject: [Classicrendezvous] Re:FS: 1975 Raleigh Professional
FOR SALE 1975 Raleigh Professional Mink Blue and Silver. 53cm c-c, 56 TT. Has beenridden for a number of years. Has a Dura Ace Front Derailleur,(firstgeneration), A set of replacement wheels(non Campy hubs) on clincher rims. I only got a quick look at it. All the other equipment is original and in good condition albeit a little dirty. The frameset itself is in fair to good condition. It also has a set of Campag. #1037/A Road pedals on it. The woman that owns it wants to sell it but isn't sure of the current value. She wanted to use it as a Tri bike, but I convinced her that, that would be a gross mistake and that she is better off selling it. Reasonable offers willbe considered. Unreasonable offers will be discarded.
I will have a picture of it in a day or so .
Peter Koskinen Mayo, Md
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Message: 2 From: "Takao Noda" <tanoda@d1.dion.ne.jp> To: "Classic Bike List" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] New Cycing magazine? Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:32:36 +0900
I am not subscribing New Cycling magazine, but reading them at my
LBS. In 1980s-90s, it regularly introduced the subscribers'
bicycles and some were published as a book" Mamonotati" on which
were many Toei bicycles . I highly recommend you to get a copy.
It costs about $20- plus shipping. I asked the publisher its
availability and I know it is still in stock and he is willing to
deal with foreign customers.The site of the publisher is here;
http://www.ateneshobo.co.jp/
Takao Noda
Hachioji, Tokyo, Japan
tanoda@d1.dion.ne.jp
> On the Toei page (http://www.cyclesdeoro.com/Toei_main.htm),
> there is mention of New Cycing magazine. Does ANYone know
> how to get a copy of this magazine? It looks pretty
interesting
> judging from the pictures of that Toei.
>
> Oh, if you look at:
>
> http://www.cyclesdeoro.com/
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Message: 3 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:06:10 -0700 To: Bob Hufford <bhufford@mail.orion.org>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org From: Monkeyman <monkey37@bluemarble.net> Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Re: Re: Raleigh Postman Bike, worth buying?
>I just sold a '78 Raleigh DL-1 that had this same "R" decal as well as >the Nottingham badge. Another decal (not seen well in the eBay pics) is >on the top of the top tube and states "Made in England". > >I assumed it meant the frame too ...
The facts as I have them for an older man that worked at the Raleigh plant in Kent, Washington. I can't remember the gentleman's name but I think he also worked for Raleigh in England. The facts as I was told are; if it has the stylized "R" on the seattube at least the frame was built in Asia (Taiwan in specific, I think), some of the other parts were built there too. The frames were sent to England to be painted, stickered, and built up. This is a cost saving measure used by many bike companies before and after this period. The "R" was placed on them to designate between the two kinds of Raleighs coming out of the factory. I've never seen a Roadster from this period that was other than a Rampar built frame, but I have seen Sports from this period with either the "R" of Raleigh Heron. Usually the bikes with the Sports with the "R" had mattress saddles and standard cranks, pedals, stems, ETC. The Sports with Raleigh Herons had Brooks saddles, Raleigh cranks, pedals, stems, ETC. Speaking on the headbadges, how many things do you see with a "made in USA" sticker that wasn't made in USA?
As I stated in the earlier post these "Roadsters" where created for the nostalgia market, which would explain the parts upgrade. My guess is the tooling for the 28" wheeled Roadster frames and rod brakes had been destroyed or sent "overseas" many years earlier and it was much cheaper to have the tooling redone in Taiwan. These Rampar/Raleigh Roadsters were only made for a few years so going with existing "outsider" tooling or manufacture saved the company many thousands of dollars. With that said there are maybe 1/100th the number of Rampar made bikes than the older bikes Raleigh made from the 30's to the 50's, so maybe in the future they'll be more collectible than the fully-english ones.
I'm not a Raleigh expert but I've worked in the industry for 15 years and know all the corners companies take to save a buck. If you want more info on the bike s see Sheldon Brown's web pages at: <http://www.sheldonbrown.com/oldbikes/index.html>. Or if you're in Seattle go see Val at The Bikesmith he's a Raleigh nut and was with me when this discussion about Rampart built bikes happened, he may also know what the guys name was.
enjoy, Brandon"now working in a pro road shop owned by Lance's personal wrench, but still loves old 3-speeds"Ives
PS: I would recomend that anyone that like "classic" bikes get themselves a Raleigh 3-speed of some kind, you'll be suprised.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nobody can do everything, but if everybody did something everything would get done. -Gil Scott Heron- !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Message: 4 From: "Hal" <hrudicil@triad.rr.com> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 07:29:42 -0400 Subject: [Classicrendezvous] RE Raleigh Postman (worth buying?)
While the Raleigh Tourist bike pictured on ebay may be of questionable value for buying, I can tell you it sure is a sweet ride. My dad purchased the same bike from a Raleigh Dealing friend of mine in 81. I was too busy then spending my time slaving on fine Italian machines to pay much attention to his bike. I did however install a Huret Multido Odometer on it for him the day we picked it up. He lives out of state now. A few years ago, on a visit, I was having ride withdrawal. His Tourist was the only thing around so I took it for a short 8-10 mile spin. It was sweet comfort to ride. As my big gear grinding days are past, I have thought about that bike, that ride. It sits in his garage unrusted gathering dust, and in pristine condition. I did spot one small moving scratch on it a year or so ago. It has 40-50 miles on the Multido. He's relinquished that the 30 or 40 miles he's put on it is enough training for him, and wants me to have it. Worth buying or not, I can't wait to visit him, knock off the dust, and rev up that Multido. That is one sweet ride.
Hal Rudicil Winston-Salem, NC Having fun before going to work on another beautiful Fall Day.
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Message: 5 From: "Paulie Davis" <paulieflt@hotmail.com> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:03:47 GMT Subject: [Classicrendezvous] Beryl Burton on CR Tee
Jerry Moos <moos@penn.com> wrote:
>Before anyone goes too far with an alternate T-shirt design, maybe we >should get some feedback from the female members on what they think of a >Beryl Burton photo. Jill? Amanda? Sarah? Paulie? Karen?
Well Beryl was getting my vote, of course, until Aldo carried the day with his new version of the kiss. There are still tears in my eyes from laughing.
Now the obvious question from somebody who knows yet very little of cycling history (and who grew up with BB referring to Brigette Bardot, but lately thought it referred a bottom bracket [don't everybody get carried away with this line of thought!]): Can anyone send me to a site to quickly catch up on this celebrated BB's accomplishments?
OK, off to work in a drizzly Los Angeles!
Paulie "Newbie & Female" Davis
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Message: 6 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 12:44:40 -0400 From: Jerry Moos <moos@penn.com> To: Paulie Davis <paulieflt@hotmail.com> CC: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Beryl Burton on CR Tee
Here's a brief summary of her career:
http://www.writetools.com/
Among her other achievements, she was twice world champion in road race, five times world champion in pursuit, and British Best All Round time trialist for a mind-boggling 25 consecutive years.
Regards,
Jerry Moos
Paulie Davis wrote:
> Jerry Moos <moos@penn.com> wrote:
>
> >Before anyone goes too far with an alternate T-shirt design, maybe we
> >should get some feedback from the female members on what they think of a
> >Beryl Burton photo. Jill? Amanda? Sarah? Paulie? Karen?
>
> Well Beryl was getting my vote, of course, until Aldo carried the day
with
> his new version of the kiss. There are still tears in my eyes from
> laughing.
>
> Now the obvious question from somebody who knows yet very little of
cycling
> history (and who grew up with BB referring to Brigette Bardot, but lately
> thought it referred a bottom bracket [don't everybody get carried away
with
> this line of thought!]): Can anyone send me to a site to quickly catch
up
> on this celebrated BB's accomplishments?
>
> OK, off to work in a drizzly Los Angeles!
>
> Paulie "Newbie & Female" Davis
>
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Message: 7 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:21:41 -0600 From: PeterGrenader <peterg@ixpres.com> To: RALEIGH531@aol.com CC: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Latest concept of CR Tee and Chuck Schmidt Tees
My two cents:
One, I am only doing the tee shirt art. I'll put anything in there that the majority sees fits, including Barne Rees hurling his time trial bike. But the image of Clement and Kent is, to me, a very sweet image that evokes part of the whole bicycle thing we, at least I, tend to overlook and maybe it's just nice that we remember it.
But be warned: there may be a problem with that image anyway if we can't get a scan of it in much higher resolution. As it is now, it's not going to transfer enlarged and onto cotten without a lot of image distortion, which us photoshoppies refer to as 'interpolation', akin to the same compartment vintage bicycle junkies would file a one piece coterless steel crankset. I'm sure you get the drift.
So, If there are any other images that we feel would be as good/better/the 'one', let's see them but remember - it should be a 300 DPI scan no less than half the size that we're going to use in its final form on the tee.
thanks,
Peter Grenader Santa Monica, where it's about to drizzle which will NOT stop me from doing the Simi ride anyway.
RALEIGH531@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 10/18/00 10:14:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> jpdimauro@starpower.net writes:
>
> > I love the t-shirts, will buy and wear one. They just have a little
less
> > appeal for me, being a female.
> >
> Or me being squeamish.
> Sorry to be a wet blanket, but are we sure we want pictures of people
> smooching on the T shirts?
> Yech!
> How about a generic classic bike, something identifiable as old with nice
> lugs?
> Perhaps a collage of vintage parts?
>
> Pete Geurds
> Douglassville, Pa
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Message: 8 From: "Donald Dundee" <rebour@hotmail.com> To: moos@penn.com, paulieflt@hotmail.com Cc: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Beryl Burton on CR Tee Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:30:50 EDT
Funny thing is, before this week i would bet a vast majority of you were asking "Beryl who?". Let' see, if I pulled Reg Harris name out of my pocket, no lets see, how about Eddy, or maybe Fausto.
I would vote for a nice Frank Patterson print. A classic scene that conjures up the image, with no one particular name in mind.
That's my final answer.
Ken Denny Boston
OH, wait a minute, I already have one.
>From: Jerry Moos <moos@penn.com>
>To: Paulie Davis <paulieflt@hotmail.com>
>CC: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Beryl Burton on CR Tee
>Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 12:44:40 -0400
>
>Here's a brief summary of her career:
>
> http://www.writetools.com/
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Message: 9 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:45:16 -0800 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net To: PeterGrenader <peterg@ixpres.com> CC: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Latest concept of CR Tee and Chuck Schmidt Tees
I think the Clement/Kent image looks fine when posterized (reduced to a few dark and light values) and you don't have the resolution problem.
Chuck Schmidt South Pasadena, where the sun is shining and it's in the high-60s
PS Barney Rice hurling sounds like a cool image for the "T"!
PeterGrenader wrote: > > My two cents: > > One, I am only doing the tee shirt art. I'll put anything in there that the > majority sees fits, including Barne Rees hurling his time trial bike. But the > image of Clement and Kent is, to me, a very sweet image that evokes part of > the whole bicycle thing we, at least I, tend to overlook and maybe it's just > nice that we remember it. > > But be warned: there may be a problem with that image anyway if we can't get a > scan of it in much higher resolution. As it is now, it's not going to > transfer enlarged and onto cotten without a lot of image distortion, which us > photoshoppies refer to as 'interpolation', akin to the same compartment > vintage bicycle junkies would file a one piece coterless steel crankset. I'm > sure you get the drift. > > So, If there are any other images that we feel would be as good/better/the > 'one', let's see them but remember - it should be a 300 DPI scan no less than > half the size that we're going to use in its final form on the tee. > > thanks, > > Peter Grenader > Santa Monica, where it's about to drizzle which will NOT stop me from doing > the Simi ride anyway.
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