Re: [Classicrendezvous] Re: [chrome Paramounts)- Rene Herse's


Example: Framebuilders:Rene Herse
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:16:32 -0400
From: "Jerry Moos" <moos@penn.com>
To: CYCLESTORE@aol.com
CC: Philcycles@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, ed.martin@worldnet.att.net, randonneurextra@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Re: [chrome Paramounts)- Rene Herse's
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Correction, Gilbert, as all we Chemical Engineers (and Chemists) know, nickel is indeed an element, the tenth entry on row 4 of the traditional Periodic Table of the Elements, following cobalt and preceding copper. Atomic number 28, atomic weight 58.7.

Regards,

Jerry Moos

CYCLESTORE@aol.com wrote:
> See Below Phil,
>
> As I recall (and I may be mistaken so feel free to correct) Nickel is not an
> element at all but an alloy composed of copper and silver and is much harder
> than the original elements. Nickel plating was once common on bearing
> surfaces even on 1 pc cranks from the pre war era and wears very well.
>
> This aside, the chroming procedure outlined below seems conscientious and
> well thought our by experienced people. My information came from Keith
> Kingbay (Great Guy and Tight with the LAW too) who was a big deal at one time
> with Schwinn. They did extensive tests for long term durability on lots of
> chroming techniques. They may not have tried the ones outlined below but
> could have perhaps rejected it as too costly. Who knows, I tried to call
> Keith but sadly he is dead and cannot be reached at this time for comment.
> Your chromer sounds good.
>
> Yours in Cycling,
>
> Gilbert Anderson
>
> Bicycle Outfitter
> 519 W. North St.
> Raleigh, NC 27603
> voice:919/828-8999
> toll free: 800/321-5511
> email: cyclestore@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 10/21/00 2:51:04 PM, Philcycles@aol.com writes:
>
> <<
> In a message dated 10/21/0 6:33:49 AM, CYCLESTORE@aol.com writes:
>
> >He told me most chromers use a
> >copper base to bold to the steel followed by the chromium plating and then
> >
> >polish. Copper adheres to steel while chrome will not. Chrome adheres
> >to
> >copper well so you have a durable surface....but the best solution is
> >nickel
> >over steel ( nickel is a copper an silver alloy) followed by the chrome
> >
> >plating.
>
> Not quite. First, nickel is an element all on its own, not an alloy. The best
> plating job is known as a triple plate-copper, then nickel, then chrome. Few
> platers do it that way today because of labor-the part must be polished
> between each coat. If you want this type of plating look around,there may be
> someone in your area who does it. Bike frames fail after plating because the
> acids used are not flushed out properly. I either seal the tube (forks and
> seat stays after treating with Framesaver) or make sure there are holes at
> each end of the tube so water can flow through it. Expensive to plate a
> frame-my guy charges $750 and it's worth every cent.
> Phil Brown >>