Re: [Classicrendezvous] B15 vs. B17

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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:53:28 -0400
From: Jerry Moos <>
To: Jeff Slotkin <>, Sheldon Brown <>
CC: Classic Rendezvous <>
Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] B15 vs. B17
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I have a similar question, which Sheldon can certainly answer, but others may also know. Was the Swallow made up until the shutdown? Sheldon had them on his site, but I didn't find them offered by any other vendors. Were Sheldon's NOS? Also, is the Swallow technically a variation of the B-17? (I think I remember hearing references to a "B-17 Swallow")


Jerry Moos

Jeff Slotkin wrote:
> I know this was beat to death a couple of months ago, but:
> When were B15's made? Right up to the (hopefully temporary) end or
> not?
> I just got one which is nearly unused, but has a nicer trim (a little
> border all the way 'round) than a modern B17 Champion Standard, and
> has eyelets which round off the bag loops, something I had never seen
> before. It's also brown underneath, while all my other black ones are
> black under there, but they're all '90's and newer. Is there a key
> somewhere to determine a date from what's stamped on the bottom?
> Jeff Slotkin
> Swan Lake, SC