Re: [Classicrendezvous] B15 vs. B17

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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:15:42 -0400
From: Jerry Moos <>
To: Sheldon Brown <>
CC: Jeff Slotkin <>, Classic Rendezvous <>
Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] B15 vs. B17
References: <00b101c03ff8$5da4e1e0$> <> <v04210110b61f47317e19@[]>

If Brooks do resume production, I'd anticipate they'll further consolidate their product line. I'd think some of the sprung saddles with nonstandard seatpost attachment might be dropped. But I would think the Swallow, the small rivet Pro, the Ti rail B-17, the antique brown Team Pro, and perhaps the choice of wide or narrow B-17 might also be threatened.


Jerry Moos

Sheldon Brown wrote:
> Jerry Moos wrote:
> >I have a similar question, which Sheldon can certainly answer, but others
> >may also know. Was the Swallow made up until the shutdown? Sheldon had
> >them on his site, but I didn't find them offered by any other vendors.
> >Were Sheldon's NOS? Also, is the Swallow technically a variation of the
> B-17? (I think I remember hearing references to a "B-17 Swallow")
> In the 1960s, there were both B15 and B17 Swallows, and lots of other
> models that no longer exist. Some time in the late'60s, I believe,
> there was a fire at Brooks, which put them out of action for quite a
> while.
> When they got back up on their feet, it was with a much reduced
> product line. They gave up on their extensive line of touring bags,
> leaving that market to Carradice and others. The Swallow was one of
> the models that was discontinued at that time, and I think the whole
> B15 line went out then as well.
> The prices of used Swallows got so high (I've heard of Japanese
> collectors paying as much as $400 for them) that they were prevailed
> upon to re-introduce the model sometime in the mid '90s. I think
> Mike Kone may have had something to do with this. The recent
> Swallows have no reference to B17/B15.
> Sheldon "About To Leave For Work On One Of My Swallows" Brown
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