Re: [Classicrendezvous] Re: smooth hubs


Example: Framebuilders:Alberto Masi
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:33:46 -0700
From: "PeterGrenader" <peterg@ixpres.com>
To: CYCLESTORE@aol.com
CC: moos@penn.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Re: smooth hubs
References: <a0.b797d44.272de702@aol.com>


Hi-e......ah, Hi-e. The company I really want to love, but....

I have had a number of hubsets from Harlan. The first were in the mid seventies and the bearings were second to none. The second set were in the 80's and purchased with a set of his weirder and weird 200 and some-odd gram rivited rims and again, the bearing on these hubs were smooth as silk.

I purchased my third set of Hi-e hubs two years ago for a set of time trial wheels I was building up. They were the first that I got with his unique pawless freehub design, which is somewhat like the Hugi's and incorporates a freehub body which is not permanently attached the the hub and is held in place only by the quick release, which means is the wheel is out of the bike and the quick release is removed, when you turn the wheel with the cogside down, the freehub body and cogs will immediately drop. Personally, I can live with this. If you know it's part of the design, you acclimate yourself to it's conventions. Also, it makes lubricating the freehub as easy as 1,2...3.

The problem was the bearings. By comparison, the quality of this third set of hubs I received was awful. Very rough. Terribly so. And although the rear hub is a scant 195 grams which will make most serious weight weenies drool, the quality of the ride wasn't worth that thrill.

Someday I will get around to replacing the factory installed bearings and at that time I'm sure they'll live up to their technical merit, but as they are, out of the box, they're almost worthless. Being a big fan of Harlan and his products for over 25 years I'm very sorry to say this, but that's the way it is.

Peter Grenader LA

CYCLESTORE@aol.com wrote:
> Hi gang,
>
> Oh how a forgot about Hi-E and Weyless as the smooth hub debate will now,
> certainly continue. Their must have been others that older brains can not
> remember.
>
> Gilbert Anderson
>
> In a message dated 10/29/00 8:22:04 PM, moos@penn.com writes:
>
> << Ah, Harlan! I should have known the "mad scientist" of US components
> would have
> been the one to have actually conducted such a test. Shame to hear recently
> than
> Harlan is evidently easing into retirement - one of the really innovative
> thinkers
> in the industry, but he has certainly "done his time" and deserves to retire
> if he
> wishes. BTW, not sure my proposal of coupling an electric motor to the axle
> is the
> best way, since in actual operation, of course, it's the hub shell that
> rotates
> while the axle remains stationary. Driving the shell with the motor, however,
> means one must device a more complicated coupling, ideally one with as few of
> its
> own efficiency issues as possible. Where does one find archives of Bicycling
> Science? Maybe I should just read how Harlan did it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
>
> Monkeyman wrote:
>
> > >> My vote for the early 70's on smoothness was Campagnolo NR/SR(IT), Phil
> Wood
> > >> (US), Lambert(UK) and Maxicar(Fr) followed by the early Duraace and early
> > >> Suntour Superbe. Later the field was cloudy as sealed cartridge bearing
> > >> smoothed hubs out over many price ranges. It should be noted that Lambert
> > >> hubs used sealed cartridge bearings.
> >
> > None of these are near as smooth as the Hi-E's and Weyless' of the same
> > time from my view, though the Maxicars are close. If you're looking for
> > tests on hub "smoothness" and relitive energy loss from the bearings and
> > their surfaces, I think Harlan (Hi-E) has done them and they were published
> > in Bicycling Science, I think. I also seen that England's Mike Burrows is
> > working on some testing similar.
> >
> > enjoy,
> > monkeyman
> >
> > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > Nobody can do everything,
> > but if everybody did something
> > everything would get done.
> > -Gil Scott Heron-
> > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!