Re: [Classicrendezvous] Boardman's new/old hour record bike


Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 13:03:37 -0700
From: PeterGrenader <peterg@ixpres.com>
To: Jerry Moos <moos@penn.com>
CC: John Quigley <eurocycle@hotmail.com>, rmrose@toast.net, monkey37@bluemarble.net, beyerc@mailserver.volvo.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Boardman's new/old hour record bike
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Tighter regulations in 2001? Don't even THINK it....(whispering) they might hear you! I believe the world attempt has a different set of guidlines than road TT's. I hope so - If I see riders in next year's TDF timetrials with conventional bars I'm gonna take up a more high-tech sport...like curling.

If you wish, you may download all of the UCI equipment regulations as a PDF file on their web site.

I find it quite ironic that hour record attemptees are now required to match the technical mark of the Merckx machine considering at the time it was considered exceedingly radical in itself, thus condemnable by the same standards which has disqualified every attempt since.

Jerry Moos wrote:
> I'm not sure if they banned the position, or only the handlebars that make it
> feasible. If the latter, it wouldn't be much different from banning Spinacci
> bars in road races. Interestingly, the bars on Boardman's bike look more
> conventional than those allowed in time trial stages of the TdF. Wonder if the
> TT rules will be tightened for 2001.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
>
> John Quigley wrote:
>
> > Why was the Superman body position banned? Shouldn't riders have a choice as
> > to their position? I can understand regulating the equipment, but not the
> > position.
> >
> > >From: Jerry Moos <moos@penn.com>
> > >To: PeterGrenader <peterg@ixpres.com>
> > >CC: Richard Rose <rmrose@toast.net>, Monkeyman <monkey37@bluemarble.net>,
> > > Chris Beyer <beyerc@mailserver.volvo.com>,
> > >classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > >Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Boardman's new/old hour record bike
> > >Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:20:07 -0500
> > >
> > >It's probably because I'm a stodgy old retrogrouch, but despite his
> > >considerable
> > >other faults, particularly his handling of doping problems, I support what
> > >Hein
> > >Verbruggen is doing in standardizing bike design and refocusing competition
> > >on the
> > >athlete. I think maybe UCI is wiser in this regard than the federations
> > >for skiing
> > >ans skating. As to toboggan, motorcycle racing and car racing, those are
> > >not
> > >athletic sports in the same sense as cycling and skating, and the equipment
> > >in
> > >motorsport has always been half or more of the point. Don't forget that
> > >the FIA is
> > >constantly changing the formula for Formula 1 to try to slow down the cars
> > >and make
> > >them less expensive - it's just that the designers alway seem more
> > >ingenious than
> > >the FIA. And sometimes restrictive regulations in cycling can lead to
> > >innovations
> > >as well. If the established stories are to be believed (though Hilary has
> > >expressed some skepticism about them, I believe) the pre-WWII ban on
> > >manufacturers'
> > >names on racing bikes led to many of the marvelous British unconventional
> > >frame
> > >designs, and with greater certainty the longtime British ban on massed
> > >start racing
> > >led to the incredible strength of time trialing in UK, to which Boardman is
> > >heir.
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >
> > >Jerry Moos
> > >
> > >PeterGrenader wrote:
> > >
> > > > Because i think the recent decision by the UCI on redefining what a
> > >bicycle is
> > > > defeatured the hour record considerably, not to mention a very negative
> > >effect
> > > > it had on the development of the sport which, (until the the UCI tugged
> > >on the
> > > > way-back machine) was like every other speed sport in the world -
> > >technology
> > > > driven. Yes, the athletes that did the impossible and beat the hour
> > >record
> > > > with the aid of modern technology are not being forgotten, they are
> > >being
> > > > footnoted and I am not sure which is worse.
> > > >
> > > > I am a fan of vintage bikes. Don't get me wrong and yes, they don't make
> > >them
> > > > like that any longer and you know what - unless you are trying to break
> > >the
> > > > hour record they are never going to make them like that any longer I see
> > >little
> > > > use on the world regulating committee trying to convince themselves and
> > >the
> > > > world otherwise.
> > > >
> > > > Look at (most if not all) of the other speed sports - car racing,
> > >motorcycling,
> > > > skiing, tobogganing, even skating....are you telling me they have not
> > >looked
> > > > into every possible avenue available in aerodynamic law to improve their
> > > > performance and by doing so, they removed themselves from the spirit of
> > >the
> > > > sport in which they trying to excel??
> > > >
> > > > I'm sure my opinions here are going to start a wave and I'm sorry if any
> > >of you
> > > > don't agree. They are, after all, my opinions. don't hate me.
> > > >
> > > > regards,
> > > >
> > > > Peter Grenader
> > > >
> > > > Richard Rose wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Why is it a shame?
> > > > > Richard Rose (Toledo, Ohio)
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: PeterGrenader <peterg@ixpres.com>
> > > > > To: Monkeyman <monkey37@bluemarble.net>
> > > > > Cc: Chris Beyer <beyerc@mailserver.volvo.com>;
> > > > > <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 10:37 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Boardman's new/old hour record bike
> > > > >
> > > > > > If it helps, there is a picture of the bike Boardman used on the
> > >Velonews
> > > > > site.
> > > > > > Lookes pretty boilerplate. It really is a shame that this has
> > >happened to
> > > > > the
> > > > > > hour record.