Re: [Classicrendezvous] Holdsworth Team Bikes


Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:04:04 -0500
From: Jerry & Liz Moos <moos@penn.com>
To: mike richardson <felice@abts.net>
CC: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Holdsworth Team Bikes
References: <000c01c0525a$bb5332a0$291799ce@richmk1.ix.netcom.com>


Mike, am I corrrect that the brochure you quote describes the Professional SL available to the public, rather than the actual team issue bikes on the poster? Mine frame sounds more like a Professional SL, as it has full brazeons except for the front derailleur. Can you tell from your materials if the team frames or the Professional SL had full wraparound seat stays? Mine has full wraparound stays but lacks the "H" engraved into the stay caps found on the Pro SL bike and Team frame photos on the CR site. I can't tell in the CR site photos whether the stays are wraparound or not. My Reynolds sticker says "531 Professional" - never seen this particular sticker before.

Regards,

Jerry Moos

mike richardson wrote:
> For what is worth, my poster is the same image on Dale's site and is clearly
> marked 1978. The stems on the bikes appear to be 1a's or Fiamme(see below).
> Shifters,bottle cage, bb cable guide and frt der. are all clamp on. Equip.
> seems to be NR with the exception of SR chainrings on one bike. Other bikes
> seem to have NR rings with the inner web removed on the outer ring. On the
> other hand the photo of the Super Professional SL produced for the public
> shows braze-ons for shifters and bottle cage and (drum roll) 1r stem.
>
> Further examination of the poster/PR brochure reveals the following
> equipment details.
>
> " The Holdsworth Professional SL frame-sets, finished in team orange with
> blue decals, are hand built with Reynolds 531 special Lightweight tubing,
> Prugnat lugs and Campagnolo short pattern fork ends."
>
> "Campagnolo gears, brakes, pedals, seat pin, hubs, chainset, head set and
> bottom bracket set are all from the titanium based extra-light Super Record
> group."
>
> "Other equipment includes Fiamme bends, stems and Ergal rims; Canetti
> tubulars; Regina Oro freewheels and Record chains; and Unica saddles."
>
> Hope this isn't redundant info.
>
> Mike Richardson
> Statesville,N.C.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerry & Liz Moos <moos@penn.com>
> To: Donald Dundee <rebour@hotmail.com>
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: Sunday, November 19, 2000 11:31 AM
> Subject: [Classicrendezvous] Holdsworth Team Bikes
>
> >Trying to collect parts for a Team model Holdsworth very similar to the
> "1979"
> >team bikes shown on the CR site, which Ken advises are actually 1978 or
> >earlier. Ken advises a 1978 would have used "new" logo Cinelli mod 66
> >"Campione" bars and 1R stem. I know that for the Cinelli mod 64 Giro there
> was
> >an "intermediate" logo with a less elaborate logo (looks like moon and a
> star),
> >between the old logo and the newest one which has no real logo, just
> Cinelli
> >engraved on both sides, with the model name and number on one side. Was
> there
> >an "intermediate" logo Campione also? Would such an intermediate logo bar
> have
> >been used in 1978? Anyone have an intermediate or new logo Campione to
> sell or
> >trade (no grooves)? Anyone have an 80mm 1R stem to trade? Did the 1R come
> that
> >short?
> >
> >By the way, Ken, the frame measures 53 cm ctoc, 54 ctot, don't know if that
> is
> >consistent with the suggested provenance.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Jerry Moos
> >
> >Donald Dundee wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Jerry,
> >>
> >> Just FYI, the Holdsworth Team folded in1978, so your frame is probably
> >> earlier. However, at that time, the team had Cinelli as one of their
> >> sponsors, who supplied Bars and stems, so if you are interested inperiod
> >> accuracy for your Holdsworth Team bike, you may want to ditch the GB
> idea.
> >>
> >> Ken Denny
> >> Boston, MA