Re: [Classicrendezvous] Re: Lyotard mod. 23 Marcel Berthet pedals

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:06:56 -0800
Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Re: Lyotard mod. 23 Marcel Berthet pedals
From: "Tim Fricker" <>

I have to chime in with Leonard here on the Berthet pedals. I also found them far from perfect. I bought a pair for commuting purposes years ago, and used them on both an old UO-8 and a Norman 3 speed for that, as well as on my Trek touring bike for "fun" riding. The problem I found with them was they were just too small and narrow for my size 13 wide feet. It felt like my feet were hanging off the sides, and if I wore tennis shoes, it was even worse, making my foot feel like it was resting on a very small hard object, much like the common complaint about SPDs. I kept them for years, periodically trying them to see if they worked with this shoe or that, or under different conditions. I never did get happy with them, and sold them about a year ago. I think those of us with big feet need bigger platform pedals than those. I keep wanting to try the MKS model that Rivendell carries, but I'm happy with the curent pedals on my bikes right now.


Tim Fricker


>From: Leonard Bulger <>


>Subject: [Classicrendezvous] Re: Lyotard mod. 23 Marcel Berthet pedals

>Date: Mon, Nov 20, 2000, 10:42 AM


>I don't think the Berthet pedal is perfect. It holds the foot closer to

>the crankarm than any other pedal. This can result in too low a Q. I

>used to tour with Model 23's and would get shooting pains along the

>outside of my knees. I realized that the inside of my foot was not

>sitting flat on the pedal. When I changed to a wider rattrap the pains

>went away. I still have 23's on two bikes and they're fine for short

>rides, and it's nice to not have a cage pushing into my foot.


>There's been a lot of low Q fanaticsm lately. Low Q is not

>automatically better. The appropriate Q depends on the width of the

>rider's hips and the natural motion of his or her joints.


>Leonard Bulger

>Ann Arbor, MI

>(It's trying to snow.)