Amigos, I would like to buy a Stronglight 93 crankset to put on my Mercier 300. If anyone can think of anything better to use, please let me know, if anyone has a 93 set for sale, let me know. Thank you. T.L.Anderson kantele25@prodigy.net
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1. Re: S-A dead (was: Brooks Saddles are Back. . .) (John Quigley) 2. Re: Winter riding socks! (John) 3. Re: where to get lug blanks? (Dave Feldman) 4. New addition (David Goerndt) 5. Re: S-A dead (was: Brooks Saddles are Back. . .) (Tim Fricker) 6. Re: Re: [Classicrendezvous] S-A dead (was: Brooks Saddles are Back. . .) (tw406@aol.com) 7. Unsubscribe (brian_schmierer@amsinc.com) 8. Bike rides (Alejandro Chu) 9. Ebay Campy Pedal Usage (gotta be a joke) (Eric Elman) 10. Re: Impression:1962 Legnano Gran Premio (long). (Joseph Bender-Zanoni) 11. Re: S-A dead (was: Brooks Saddles are Back. . .) (Russ Fitzgerald) 12. GALLI info.... (p6man) 13. Masi question (David Goerndt) 14. RE: Masi question (Bill Mattinson) 15. Re: Masi question (Brian Baylis) 16. Ideale Saddle - Model 4 vs. Model 6 (Steve Freides) 17. RE: Masi question (Mike & Barb Kelly) 18. Masi question (s) (roadgiant@cs.com) 19. Holdsworth-Campagnolo Team (mike richardson)
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Message: 1 From: "John Quigley" <eurocycle@hotmail.com> To: moos@penn.com, monkey37@bluemarble.net Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] S-A dead (was: Brooks Saddles are Back. . .) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 13:57:16 CST
Yes, very sad about Sturmey-Archer. But, just like Elvis, It shall live forever in our hearts.....
>From: Jerry Moos <moos@penn.com>
>To: Monkeyman <monkey37@bluemarble.net>
>CC: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] S-A dead (was: Brooks Saddles are Back. .
>.)
>Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 14:27:29 -0500
>
>I think most of us regret the passing of S-A, I just think everyone is
>relieved
>that Brooks didn't in the end go down with them, particularly as it looked
>very
>bleak for Brooks there for a while Another factor is that, although a
>sizeable
>percentage of the members use S-A hubs, nearly every one of us uses Brooks
>saddles. Also, Rohloff, Shimano and perhaps others still make high quality
>gear
>hubs, while Brooks seems to have been the last maker of high quality
>leather
>saddles left in the world. Whatever their past glories, one probably
>couldn't
>say that at the end S-A still made the finest gear hubs in the world.
>Brooks
>does make the finest saddles. So I think a moment of silence is indeed in
>order
>for S-A, but also a collective sigh of relief for Brooks. BTW, I exchange
>email
>with some guys in UK who are not on the list, and many of them are not
>convinced
>that Brooks is yet home and dry. One LBS guy in UK commented that we in
>the
>States seem to have more information on Brooks' status than he does.
>
>Regards,
>
>Jerry Moos, commuting in t
>
>Monkeyman wrote:
>
> > >>We're delighted to be able, once again, to offer the finest saddles in
>the
> > >>world. Note that the B-17 Champion Special, the B-17 Titanium and the
> > >>Swallow (black) were backordered, and are not expected until
> > >>January. Most other models are in stock.
> > >
> > >
> > >This is very promising. Note the backorders (things most in demand) are
>for
> > >Brooks' most expensive items. The prospect of the company's top models
> > >getting the highest markups should let Brooks fans breathe a little
>easier.
> >
> > Maybe I'm one of the few that cares, but nobody has posted about the
>fact
> > that Sturmey Archer is DEAD, GONE, LIQUIDATED. . . Yes some of the
>tooling
> > may be going to Asia but will they be making the same stuff? Don't get
>me
> > wrong I like Brooks saddles and believe that they were saved in the 11th
> > hour is great. Only I think the loss of S-A throws a huge shadow over
>the
> > whole deal. S-A was one of the oldest cycling oriented companies in the
> > world and this loss deserves a moment of silence. . .
> >
> > . . . If any company deserves the title classic, Sturmey-Archer does.
> > Maybe I'm just an internal gear freak, maybe I'm nostalgic, or maybe
> > everyone is in shock. I see this as one of the saddest things to happen
>to
> > the bicycle industry in a long time. Anyway I just felt I needed to
>post
> > about something that's being left out of all the happy "Brooks is back"
> > discussion.
> >
> > wearing a black band,
> > Brandon Ives
> >
> > Brandon and Mitzi's-- "Wurld uv Wunder"
> > http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/
> >
> > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > Nobody can do everything,
> > but if everybody did something
> > everything would get done.
> > -Gil Scott Heron-
> > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
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Message: 2 Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:00:24 -0800 From: John <bikehunt@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Winter riding socks! To: walter skrzypek <wspokes1@hotmail.com> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Reply-to: John <bikehunt@pacbell.net>
I'd love to have a couple pair of these, Walt. Unfortunately, at least in No. Calif., all the "army surplus" stores have turned into REI type, camping, sleeping bag, backpack, parka stores. When I was a kid (long time ago) in Napa (pop. then, 12K, now 75K), we had a store called Brewster's. Piles of canteens in one corner, army helmets in another. You could get back in the rear storeroom and never be found. Of course, everything else has changed too. They also had a whole showcase full of switchblades with 5 inch blades and dummy hand grenades. About 20 years ago, they turned into a parka store and two months ago they tore the building down.
John Dunn in Napa Valley
> I have stumbled upon an impressive find. With the cold weather now taking
a
> grip upon Pennsylvania, I search for a wicking semi-wool sock which seems
to
> work best for me. I have had tons of problems in the past with freezing of
> my fit when cycling. What I found in an Army surplus store seems to be the
> jackpot. I have used them 5 times now in 30 degree weather and I am
please.
> 50% wool, and the rest a blend. At only 2.99 per pair. These are beauties.
> Perfectly wicking, using the wool we all love so much, and my piggies are
> staying warm and toasty yet not sweaty. Sorry, they only come in army
green.
> Taking orders...anyone??
>
>
> Walt Skrzypek
> Falls Creek, Pa
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Message: 3 Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 11:28:12 -0800 Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] where to get lug blanks? From: "Dave Feldman" <feldmanbike@home.com> To: Lawrence Kurtz <kurtzla@fhs.csu.McMaster.CA>, bike <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Try http://www.ceeway.com, good British frame materials company. They sell to the
States, I buy from them and they ship to Washington.
DF
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>From: Lawrence Kurtz <kurtzla@fhs.csu.McMaster.CA>
>To: bike <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [Classicrendezvous] where to get lug blanks?
>Date: Fri, Nov 17, 2000, 10:25 AM
>
>I thought I would have some fun with my father-in-law's jewellry saws.
>Where can I get lug blanks which can be cut into special shapes? I saw
>a feature in "Cycle" April 1999
>
>Lawrence
>
>
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Message: 4 From: "David Goerndt" <davidg@iag.net> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 17:00:55 -0500 Subject: [Classicrendezvous] New addition
Well, the adoption is final. The "papers" signed, money sent, "baby" shipped. Expecting delivery next week. "Baby" is a 1973(?) Masi Gran Criterium (yes the ebay one). Wanted one for a long time. Be prepared for an onslaught of Masi questions.
David Goerndt
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Message: 5 Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 15:00:17 -0800 Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] S-A dead (was: Brooks Saddles are Back. . .) From: "Tim Fricker" <tymn61@earthlink.net> To: Monkeyman <monkey37@bluemarble.net>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
I have to agree with Monkeyman...
While I am very happy Brooks was saved, and I don't have to fret about not having had the cash to stock up during the recent "crisis", I am REALLY depressed about Sturmey Archer. I've only owned one S-A equipped 3 speed in my life (a black Norman, who has since gone on to Bikes Not Bombs, and is hopefully doing solid service somewhere), and my first bike was a Dunelt with, I assume, a single speed S-A hub, but S-A was such an intrinsic part of cycling for so long, it is very sad to see them go. And really depressing given the circumstances of their demise... especially with the workers given 10 minutes to clear out!
Add to that Loose Screws/Third Hand closing shop, and I'm just bummed...
Tim
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Message: 6 From: TW406@aol.com Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 18:22:56 EST Subject: Re: Re: [Classicrendezvous] S-A dead (was: Brooks Saddles are Back. . .) To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Not to mention petopia.com
Now I'm bummed.
Ted
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Message: 7 From: Brian_Schmierer@amsinc.com To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 17:36:41 -0500 Subject: [Classicrendezvous] Unsubscribe
Dale,
Please remove me from the list. Thanks.
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Message: 8 Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 16:40:43 -0500 From: Alejandro Chu <achu@mitre.org> Organization: The MITRE Corporation To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [Classicrendezvous] Bike rides
Pls add me to your distribution for weekend rides,
I am not always in Mass, however, when I am here I would like to ride.
Thanks, Alejandro chu
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Message: 9 From: "Eric Elman" <tr4play@home.com> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 18:43:01 -0600 Subject: [Classicrendezvous] Ebay Campy Pedal Usage (gotta be a joke)
I'll admit to having a bike catalog or magazine in the bathroom from time to time... but this.....
Did this come in a Superleggera model also?
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 18:36:00 -0800
To: DMart84815@aol.com, Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
From: Joseph Bender-Zanoni <jfbender@umich.edu>
Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Impression:1962 Legnano Gran Premio
(long).
>
> How does it ride? I have to admit I was bias, I expected a dead ride
>with a posible "gas pipe" frame. It only took afew miles to realize that
this
>bike fits, rides and responds fantasic! It is not only soild under climbs
but
>tracks beatufully thru curves and doesnt beat you up on these terrible East
>Bay roads. So, I am riding along with the new Clements on singing
"Volare".
>My friend tells me that some times he feels like Coppi when he rides his
50s
>Bianchi (from Reparto Corsa). He asks me if I feel like Bartali. I feel
like
>a Gargario (sp), one of his men.
> Best Wishes.
> Dave Martinez.
This is exactly the feel I get from my '65 Frejus Pro. Competent, solid, built to handle any racing or training situation for the rider with one bike. Long and shallow enough for comfort and fenders. Substantial tubing for sprinting, climbing and aggressive riding. Also not to be destroyed after a minor crash. I have put more miles on this bike than any other this fall. And I could easily put fenders on it for the winter but I have other bikes for that.
Joe
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Message: 11 Reply-To: "Russ Fitzgerald" <rfitzger@emeraldis.com> From: "Russ Fitzgerald" <rfitzger@emeraldis.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] S-A dead (was: Brooks Saddles are Back. . .) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 19:14:32 -0500
O fellow classicists,
Below is an excerpt from something I wrote for the local club's newsletter. If they need copy badly enough, they might even run it, who knows? Anyhow, apologies for its length - I always did like the sound of my own voice, I guess. Still, this is how I feel about the situation ...
***
The handwriting was probably on the walls years ago. Sturmey Archer was just too damned dependable and reliable to fit into a world where bicycles are disposable toys or "fitness equipment," soon obsolete and fit only for the scrap yard. The very idea of something that could be repaired, the concept that bikes and bike parts should work flawlessly for decades, was simply incompatible with the age of Shimano and the four year cycle in vogue now. Five speed freewheels were the standard for forty years, but we've gone from eight to nine to ten in five years - what possible hope could there have been for a company that still made three-speeds, and who cares how well they worked?
In its day, the Sturmey Archer AW appeared on almost every type of bike. You can find specimens on everything from cheesy kid's high-risers from the '60s to impeccably elegant custom bikes from the 30s as light as anything on the market today. There are countless millions of them out there working in their quiet English way as I write this. It's more than just "too bad" that there won't be any more.
I feel sorry for the three hundred or so employees who found out their jobs have ended, bang, sorry, off you go. Some of them had been there since before I was born. It can't be easy to know that you have done your job and made stuff that works for a long, long time and then one day, poof, nobody wants you any more. It might soothe their feelings to know of the wave of anguish many of us older cyclists feel to see them go - but that doesn't pay their rent. The closing of Sturmey Archer hits hard at deeply-held and cherished values - among them, the belief that good work and loyalty will be rewarded. Maybe those ideas are just as old-fashioned as an AW hub.
On a personal level as a cyclist from way back, I feel like weeping. It's a long, sad roll call - Simplex, Normandy, FB, Magistroni, Universal, Huret, Chater Lea, CLB, Clement, BSA, SunTour, Cyclo, Mafac, Ideale, Oscgear, Bayliss-Willey, Zeus, and far too many more - all parts makers who live on only in memory and on ever more closely hoarded collectors' bikes. And now we must add Sturmey Archer, the last great British component maker. Another part of my youth has to be surrendered; another icon has fallen.
***
Russ Fitzgerald Greenwood SC rfitzger@emeraldis.com
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Message: 12 Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 23:55:46 -0800 From: p6man <p6man@home.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [Classicrendezvous] GALLI info....
Hi again gang. My friend Woody at Bike Wrench was nice enough to loan me a few more catalogs and brochures to scan, so I did an '83 GALLI catalog next. I saved this one as a rather large higher-quality PDF file, because the smaller ones I tried to save just didn't look as good. This one lacks the colorful pictures and advertising, but has great exploded view drawings, and is good for identifying the parts seen on eBay. A longer download at 8.5 megs, and you'll need Acrobat Reader (free) to view or print it out.
http://www.members.home.net/
Cheers,
Duane Kennard <p6man@home.com>
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Message: 13 From: "David Goerndt" <davidg@iag.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 11:36:07 -0500 Subject: [Classicrendezvous] Masi question
I have a question regarding braze-ons on early Masis (California), specifically, cable guides and down tube shifters. Would an early Masi have these?
David Goerndt
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Message: 14 Reply-To: <billmatt@sonic.net> From: "Bill Mattinson" <billmatt@sonic.net> To: "David Goerndt" <davidg@iag.net>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [Classicrendezvous] Masi question Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 08:58:24 -0800
David;
My 1975 CA Masi has no braze-ons for downtube shifter or cable guides. My bro-in-laws 1973 is the same way.
Bill Mattinson
Sonoma County, CA
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> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 8:36 AM
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [Classicrendezvous] Masi question
>
>
>
> I have a question regarding braze-ons on early Masis (California),
> specifically, cable guides and down tube shifters. Would an early
> Masi have
> these?
>
> David Goerndt
>
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Message: 15 Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 09:39:25 -0800 From: Brian Baylis <rocklube@adnc.com> Reply-To: rocklube@adnc.com To: David Goerndt <davidg@iag.net> CC: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Masi question
David,
Are asking about top tube brake cable guides? No they do not have them, nor braze-on shift lever bosses.
Brian Baylis
>
> I have a question regarding braze-ons on early Masis (California),
> specifically, cable guides and down tube shifters. Would an early Masi
have
> these?
>
> David Goerndt
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 16 Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 13:27:22 -0500 From: Steve Freides <sjf11@idt.net> Organization: Friday's Computer, Inc. To: Classic Lightweights <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [Classicrendezvous] Ideale Saddle - Model 4 vs. Model 6
Could anyone enlighten me on the differences between these two, the Ideale Models 4 and 6? My wife has been using the Model 6 and loves it and I have a chance to pick up a Model 4 but need to know what the differences are and if it would work for her. She's particular about *not* liking long saddles, so anything longer than the Model 6 wouldn't works for her.
Thanks in advance.
-S-
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Message: 17 From: Mike & Barb Kelly <radiant@gci.net> To: "'David Goerndt'" <davidg@iag.net>, "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [Classicrendezvous] Masi question Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 09:59:54 -0500
My 74 has no: Top tube cable guides Shifter bosses or stop for a clamp-on water bottle
It does have the BB guides and the chain stay guide.
-----Original Message----- From: David Goerndt [SMTP:davidg@iag.net] Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 11:36 AM To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [Classicrendezvous] Masi question
I have a question regarding braze-ons on early Masis (California), specifically, cable guides and down tube shifters. Would an early Masi have these?
David Goerndt
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Message: 18 From: Roadgiant@cs.com Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:35:23 EST To: rocklube@adnc.com, davidg@iag.net CC: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [Classicrendezvous] Masi question (s)
Brian, While on the question of California Masi's. Who were the guys responsible for building the Masi frames besides yourself? ANd how did the whole Masi in Carlsbad come to happen in '73? How where you approached by Faliero? What prompted him to leave Milano? I think a brief history would be of interest to our list. Also, while down at JB's shop to get my Fuji repainted I met a guy who works there who builds beautiful frames with brazed on applique "R" on the headtube. Can't remeber his name but JB told me that he, too was a builder of Masi's. Thanks, Brian.
Scott Smith LA
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Message: 19 From: "mike richardson" <felice@abts.net> To: "classicrendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:36:56 -0500 Subject: [Classicrendezvous] Holdsworth-Campagnolo Team
Jerry, Ken and all
I managed to score a small Holdsworth-Campagnolo team poster from 1978 = at the recent Veloswap. It shows the bikes fairly well. Les West is = pictured holding his? bike in front of him which appears to be in the 54 = to 55 range.=20
Mike Richardson Statesville,N.C.
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