Re: [CR]Pantagraph Parts?

(Example: Production Builders:Frejus)

Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 05:31:36 -0700
From: "PeterGrenader" <peterg@ixpres.com>
To: Marc Boral <mbikealive@earthlink.net>
CC: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: Re: [CR]Pantagraph Parts?
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I have a source for pantographing (it's actually digital engraving on a Vision machine) in Long Beach, CA, if anyone is interested. Bring your bank roll though....it ain't cheap. For instance: $165 for a one off chainring, you provide artwork and chainring. ouch! But less of an ouch than anyone else I speced. One guy wanted $350 for the same thing.

Peter Grenader in the city where many movie starts live.

Marc Boral wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> Pantographing is an industrial engraving almost always performed by an engraving company. The engraving company is typically contracted by the frame builder
> who's frames the components are assembled on. For instance: Colnago purchases stock Campagnolo components directly from Campagnolo. Colnago then sends a
> selected portion of the Campy components to an relatively local industrial engraver to perform the pantographing. Campagnolo (the company) does not offer or
> perform any pantographing service. In fact I have heard the pantographed components void Campagnolo's warranty, but I can't that with certainty. It so happens
> that most Italian frame builders used the same engraving company. This is evident by the pantographed design shared by so many frame manufactures. Usually just
> the logo is changed, or the design is slightly changed.
>
> I have a lot of American Masis, and this is my opinion regarding your question: American Masis had the option of these "engraved" components: 3ttt bars/stems,
> seatpost, pump. Alberto's Masis, I have no personal hands-on experience with. I can only say that more pantographed components were equipped on Alberto's
> bikes.
>
> Marc Boral
>
> Mike & Barb Kelly wrote:
>
> > Are pantograph parts generally made by a manufacturer or most often farmed out or maybe completely made outside of the Bike maker by license?
> >
> > I am curious about the pantograph parts available for Masi. Masi was never known as a "fully pantographed" beast (I don't think) but I have found there
> > are more items out there than I expected.
> >
> > Can any of the list members tell us what was available and for what period? Which might be Faliero 70's and which items Alberto 80's?
> >
> > I know there are:
> > seatposts
> > stems
> > handlebars
> > shiftlevers
> > pumps?
> >
> > Were there any other items?
> >
> > I have a seatpost that is NR fluted that came with my 74' Italian Alberto. My wife has seatpost, stem, shiftlevers on her 81" Prestige that came on the bike.
> >
> > Thanks for any info.