This idea of having parts pantographed after-market, in the present, in the style of the past, has come up a few times. Every time it does, I consider it carefully, and realize that if I had someone pantograph me a set of Colnago stuff a-la the 70s, I would find those parts completely uninteresting: copies, nothing more. I'm aware that, for me, collecting bike stuff has taken an odd turn: if it's not the real deal, I have no interest.
And, yes, I know, the stuff was churned out on a line by the hundreds, if not thousands, of units...but, the old, original stuff was/is just that: old and original, and thus, interesting.
Charles
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PeterGrenader [mailto:peterg@ixpres.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 4:32 AM
> To: Marc Boral
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Pantagraph Parts?
>
>
> I have a source for pantographing (it's actually digital
> engraving on a Vision machine) in Long Beach, CA, if anyone
> is interested. Bring your bank roll
> though....it ain't cheap. For instance: $165 for a one off
> chainring, you provide artwork and chainring. ouch! But
> less of an ouch than anyone else I speced.
> One guy wanted $350 for the same thing.
>
>
> Peter Grenader
> in the city where many movie starts live.
>
> Marc Boral wrote:
>
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > Pantographing is an industrial engraving almost always
> performed by an engraving company. The engraving company is
> typically contracted by the frame builder
> > who's frames the components are assembled on. For
> instance: Colnago purchases stock Campagnolo components
> directly from Campagnolo. Colnago then sends a
> > selected portion of the Campy components to an relatively
> local industrial engraver to perform the pantographing.
> Campagnolo (the company) does not offer or
> > perform any pantographing service. In fact I have heard
> the pantographed components void Campagnolo's warranty, but I
> can't that with certainty. It so happens
> > that most Italian frame builders used the same engraving
> company. This is evident by the pantographed design shared
> by so many frame manufactures. Usually just
> > the logo is changed, or the design is slightly changed.
> >
> > I have a lot of American Masis, and this is my opinion
> regarding your question: American Masis had the option of
> these "engraved" components: 3ttt bars/stems,
> > seatpost, pump. Alberto's Masis, I have no personal
> hands-on experience with. I can only say that more
> pantographed components were equipped on Alberto's
> > bikes.
> >
> > Marc Boral
> >
> > Mike & Barb Kelly wrote:
> >
> > > Are pantograph parts generally made by a manufacturer or
> most often farmed out or maybe completely made outside of the
> Bike maker by license?
> > >
> > > I am curious about the pantograph parts available for
> Masi. Masi was never known as a "fully pantographed" beast (I
> don't think) but I have found there
> > > are more items out there than I expected.
> > >
> > > Can any of the list members tell us what was available
> and for what period? Which might be Faliero 70's and which
> items Alberto 80's?
> > >
> > > I know there are:
> > > seatposts
> > > stems
> > > handlebars
> > > shiftlevers
> > > pumps?
> > >
> > > Were there any other items?
> > >
> > > I have a seatpost that is NR fluted that came with my 74'
> Italian Alberto. My wife has seatpost, stem, shiftlevers on
> her 81" Prestige that came on the bike.
> > >
> > > Thanks for any info.