regarding the below, snipped from ken's post: as far as i'm concerned bill hurlow can do no wrong. however, i think the 'deal' associated with the cinelli (style) seat stay conjunction is that he/they developed a system which allowed the seat stays to be joined to the seat lug, on the centerline at it's rear, by means of integral spiggots that were cast into the lug. rather than...brazing the tops of the seat stays to the cylinder which doubled as the binder bolt. two completely different looks, aesthetically. and two completely different animals, mechanically. if the list will allow me, my 2 hurlows had the fastback seat stay treatment ken refers to, and a more beautiful and mature method has not evolved since the era of those frames' construction. e-RICHIE
On Wed, 03 Jan 2001 10:59:19 -0500 "Donald Dundee" <rebour@hotmail.com>
writes:
> Another Cinelli myth, that has long been trademarked as a Cinelli
> "first" is the fastback seat stay. Interesting that there is a Condor
on EBay
> that has a very nice fastback seat stay detail. That particular design
can be
> attributed to British builder William B. Hurlow, who developed that
> idea at Condor Cycles in the late 30's, later utilizing it in his own
> designs as well as for work he jobbed for the Holdsworthy concern.
Weather or
> not Hurlow's work in this area can be attributed to other influences I
> do not know for sure, but in speaking with him on several ocassions,
his
> feeling in the design o fthat particular stay detail was that it was a
"natural
>location for the stays to terminate, directly on the centerline of
> the top tube, and the graphic detail of integrating the binder bolt
into
> this detail was a 'natural' outcome."
>
> I invite all to research, and add substantiated information to this
> text.
>
> Thnaks,
> ken denny
> Boston