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>From: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com>
>To: rebour@hotmail.com
>CC: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]Cinelli Myths (long)
>Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:02:48 -0500
>
>regarding the below, snipped from ken's post:
>as far as i'm concerned bill hurlow can do no
>wrong. however, i think the 'deal' associated
>with the cinelli (style) seat stay conjunction is
>that he/they developed a system which allowed
>the seat stays to be joined to the seat lug, on the
>centerline at it's rear, by means of integral spiggots
>that were cast into the lug. rather than...brazing
>the tops of the seat stays to the cylinder which
>doubled as the binder bolt. two completely
>different looks, aesthetically. and two completely
>different animals, mechanically.
>if the list will allow me, my 2 hurlows had the
>fastback seat stay treatment ken refers to, and
>a more beautiful and mature method has not
>evolved since the era of those frames' construction.
>e-RICHIE
>
>On Wed, 03 Jan 2001 10:59:19 -0500 "Donald Dundee" <rebour@hotmail.com>
>writes:
> > Another Cinelli myth, that has long been trademarked as a Cinelli
> > "first" is the fastback seat stay. Interesting that there is a Condor
>on EBay
> > that has a very nice fastback seat stay detail. That particular design
>can be
> > attributed to British builder William B. Hurlow, who developed that
> > idea at Condor Cycles in the late 30's, later utilizing it in his own
> > designs as well as for work he jobbed for the Holdsworthy concern.
>Weather or
> > not Hurlow's work in this area can be attributed to other influences I
>
> > do not know for sure, but in speaking with him on several ocassions,
>his
> > feeling in the design o fthat particular stay detail was that it was a
>"natural
> >location for the stays to terminate, directly on the centerline of
> > the top tube, and the graphic detail of integrating the binder bolt
>into
> > this detail was a 'natural' outcome."
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> > I invite all to research, and add substantiated information to this
> > text.
> >
> > Thnaks,
> > ken denny
> > Boston
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