[CR]Simplex differences was Ebay Simplex Record $'s

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From: "Eric Elman" <tr4play@home.com>
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Subject: [CR]Simplex differences was Ebay Simplex Record $'s
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:24:28 -0600


I think I read all the responses thoroughly and must add one other significant difference besides the forged cage plates.

The Criterium rear derailleur also has jockey wheels with ball bearings instead of a brass bushing. I agree with Jerry regarding shift quality - the Criterium was a big improvement over the cheaper prestige derailleur. I also think the Criterium is largely unrecognized for how well it works compared to ANY other on the market at the time. Even now, as long as you've got one without delrin degredation (uh oh, here it comes, yes..... many of them are past there prime nowadays) it shifts as well or better then the Campagnolo NR on my other bicycles.

Moi deux francs,

Eric Elman


----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Moos
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Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [CR]Ebay Simplex Record $'s



> Big difference. The Prestige has cheap, thin, stamped cage plates, while the
> Criterium has proper (forged?) cage plates. You have to look closely to tell
> them apart, but there is a big difference in performance. I think the Criterium
> shifts better than Campy NR, because of the spring loaded upper pivot which
> Campy lacked. The Prestige had that pivot also, but the cheap cage ruined its
> shifting. That said, I certainly wouldn't pay $200 for a Criterium, even an NIB
> one. BTW, almost all Simplex rear derailleurs regardless of model, are marked
> "Prestige" and I don't think I've ever seen one marked "Criterium". This leads
> to much of the confusion over which model is which.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
>
> RALEIGH531@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Same day as this auction was another seller's auction for two sets of used
> > F & R Prestige derailleurs finishing up at $5 for both sets!
> > http://ebay.com/<blah>
> > What is the main difference between a Criterium and a Prestige?
> > They look suspiciously alike.
> > I ask because I have a late 70's Peugeot with a similar derailleur and can't
> > decide which it is.
> >
> > Pete Geurds
> > Douglassville, Pa