[CR]Now: Counterfeit Phil Hubs Was:Old Phil hubs

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Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 17:06:42 -0800
From: "Chuck Schmidt" <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
To: Jerry & Liz Moos <moos@penn.com>
CC: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
References: <3A7C618B.5F4BFCF3@penn.com>
Subject: [CR]Now: Counterfeit Phil Hubs Was:Old Phil hubs

Jerry & Liz Moos wrote:
> I've spent much of the morning trying to polish some rust spots and
> small pits out of the chromed barrel of an old three piece Phil hub that
> came on my recently purchased Teledyne. On the front hub I've been
> polishing, I can't find the script "Phil" at all. The rear hub, which
> seems of identical vintage, almost certainly its original mate, still
> has the "Phil" label, but the engraving seems very much shallower than
> my recent one piece Phil hubs. The old rear "Phil" label does not
> appear to be a decal, but compared to the more deeply engraved newer
> hub, the label amost looks as if it were just painted on rather than
> engraved. I suppose one might suspect a counterfeit, except I never
> heard of the old three piece hubs being counterfeited, plus the quality
> and smoothness of this hub is exquisite - what I'd expect from a genuine
> Phil Wood, and much better than I would expect from a counterfeit. Were
> the labels of older Phil hubs worn away more easily than the new ones?
> Regards,
> Jerry Moos

Didn't you see the story on the 6:00 o'clock news (film at 11) on the sting operation story. Seems there was a counterfeiting ring in El Monte, CA that was making counterfeit NOS Phil hubs (120mm five speed) and the police raided their shop. These guys were real stupid; turned out it cost them more to make the counterfeit Phil that the real Phil hubs cost. Go figure...

Chuck Schmidt
South Pasadena, California