Re: [CR]Old Phil hubs

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Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 09:58:58 -0500
From: Jerry & Liz Moos <>
To: Joseph Bender-Zanoni <>
CC: Classic Rendezvous <>
Subject: Re: [CR]Old Phil hubs
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Anyone know when they went to the current name "cold forged into hub body" as thier website describes it in differentiating them from the recent counterfeits which have the name laser etched? Did all the old three piece hubs have a less durable marking? BTW, anyone know of a Phil Wood time line? It would be interesting to know when they changed to one piece hubs, what years the platform pedals were in production, etc.

The recent counterfeits, according to the Phil site, are knockoffs of Phil "cantilever" hubs used on wheelchairs and other specialized applications. Have there been past counterfeits of Phil road hubs?


Jerry Moos

Joseph Bender-Zanoni wrote:
> Mine are worn away and I remember just paint.
> Joe
> At 02:52 PM 2/3/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >I've spent much of the morning trying to polish some rust spots and
> >small pits out of the chromed barrel of an old three piece Phil hub that
> >came on my recently purchased Teledyne. On the front hub I've been
> >polishing, I can't find the script "Phil" at all. The rear hub, which
> >seems of identical vintage, almost certainly its original mate, still
> >has the "Phil" label, but the engraving seems very much shallower than
> >my recent one piece Phil hubs. The old rear "Phil" label does not
> >appear to be a decal, but compared to the more deeply engraved newer
> >hub, the label amost looks as if it were just painted on rather than
> >engraved. I suppose one might suspect a counterfeit, except I never
> >heard of the old three piece hubs being counterfeited, plus the quality
> >and smoothness of this hub is exquisite - what I'd expect from a genuine
> >Phil Wood, and much better than I would expect from a counterfeit. Were
> >the labels of older Phil hubs worn away more easily than the new ones?
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Jerry Moos