When I lived out in the country in Vermont one would hear of the existence of some four holers but even three was considered a luxury. And then there was the Electra model ...
Joe Bender-Zanoni Speaking of Vermont- sugar snow in Ann Arbor today
At 02:35 PM 3/16/01 -0800, Tom Dalton wrote:
>Woah, that's a rare bird. I think that Campy had a
>four-hole SR depicted in the Olympic catalog as a
>drawing, but in the photo at the front I think it's a
>three holer. I've always assumed that it was an early
>drawing of something that never met production. As
>for this derailleur being first-generation Super
>Record, I'm not so sure. I think the last year for
>pre-CPSC fronts was 1977. So the no-holes with CPSC
>lip derailleur didn't come out until 1978, which was
>the last year for the first gen. rear derailleur
>(unless they kept making those along side the second
>gen. model.) Anyway, I think that they made the
>no-hole CPSC compliant fronts for a couple of years
>before introducing the four holer, which apparently
>they did as a Super and as a Nuovo. In any case, this
>puts us a year or two into second generation rears. I
>have no doubt that your bike was equipped as you say,
>but I suspect that the front and rear derailleurs were
>made at slightly different times.
>
>Of course I could be wrong. That's why I've detailed
>my line of reasoning. If anyone has any information
>that conflicts with this perhaps we could apply it to
>refining the Chuck Schmidt timeline. The whole
>pre-CPSC/CPSC, first-gen/second/gen, holes/no holes
>era is pretty confusing on the front derailleur issue.
>
>Tom Dalton
>
>--- Charles Andrews <chasa@classicalradio.org> wrote:
>> Super record, black-anodized arms.
>>
>> c
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Tom Dalton [mailto:tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com]
>> > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 12:49 PM
>> > To: C. Andrews
>> > Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> > Subject: Re: [CR]re: first generation Super Record
>> Derailleurs
>> >
>> >
>> > Charles,
>> > Was the four hole derailleur a Super Record, with
>> > black anodized arms or was it Nuovo (all silver)?
>> > I've been looking for a 4-hole Nuovo myself,
>> without
>> > much success. (Anybody???) I think the SR front
>> came
>> > out well after Campy went to three holes, and that
>> a
>> > four-hole black-anodized front was never made, but
>> > correct me if I'm wrong. Also, do you happen to
>> > recall if your derailleur also had the narrow
>> > (non-pointed) band clamp? Many four-holers that
>> I've
>> > seen have had the narrow band, but I've seen
>> > four-holers with the newer, pointed band and
>> > three-holers with the straight band. I suspect
>> that
>> > only one of these two hybrids would be a factory
>> item.
>> > The other is probably only seen when someone
>> cobbles
>> > together a derailleur out of parts. Does anyone
>> know
>> > if it was the clamp or the number of holes that
>> was
>> > changed first? Chuck Schmidt's timeline mentions
>> > both, but doesn't say if one came before the
>> other.
>> > If, for example, the clamp was changed first, the
>> > pointed-clamp four-holers are the real deal while
>> the
>> > straight clamp three holers are from someone's
>> spare
>> > parts. Then again, maybe Campy was just using
>> > whatever they could pick up off the factory floor
>> for
>> > some time. Anybody??? Anybody????
>> >
>> > Tom (curently posessed with derailling) Dalton
>> >
>> > --- "C. Andrews" <chasds@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> > > One of my minor sadnesses is that about 4 years
>> ago
>> > > I bought a nearly perfectly-preserved Guerciotti
>> > > with a full 1st Gen Super Record Group, for
>> about
>> > > 400 bucks. I still have some of the parts, sold
>> the
>> > > frame off long ago....and, stupid me, I sold the
>> > > front derailleur with another bike--those being
>> the
>> > > days before I realized what I had. The 1st gen
>> > > front SR derailleur had *four* perfs in the
>> cage.
>> > > Try finding one of those sometime.
>> > >
>> > > <sigh>
>> > >
>> > > Charles "wish I still had that bike, as it was"
>> > > Andrews
>> > >
>> > >
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