Re: [CR]re: first generation Super Record Derailleurs

(Example: Production Builders)

From: "Mark Petry" <mpetry@bainbridgeisland.net>
To: "Tom Dalton" <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com>, "walter skrzypek" <wspokes1@hotmail.com>
Cc: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
References: <20010319180959.10816.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]re: first generation Super Record Derailleurs
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:35:35 -0800


Well, this is certainly a good analysis of the market. I remember in the larval stages of my cycling career I had "upgrade-itis" to an even greater extent than I now do and would constantly be changing out components to get lighter weights or more performance.

Some typical friendly trades that are period correct are

Phil bottom bracket and possibly hubs Stronglite A-9 headset (the roller bearing one) Omas alloy / TI bolt kit Pino quick releases Aero brake levers ...what else?

Would like to know what other list members did THEN to "soup 'em up" and what soup up parts are still adorning some members of your fleet.

================================================ Mark Petry 206 618 9642 mailto:mpetry@bainbridgeisland.net Beautiful Bainbridge Island ================================================ Most of american life is spent driving somewhere and then coming home, wondering why the hell you went.

John Updike, "Rabbit at Rest"

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----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Dalton
To: walter skrzypek
Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [CR]re: first generation Super Record Derailleurs



> I've noticed that certain late SR/NR parts seem to be
> far more abundant than others. You want to hear my
> pet theories? I'd like to know what others think.
>
> Abundance of front derailleurs because everybody who
> had a clamp-on had to buy a braze-on for some new
> frame... and everybody with a braze-on had to buy a
> clamp-on for some other new frame.
>
> Abundant used hubs, because everyone had at least two
> or three sets of wheels, and hubs don't really die
> unless you crack a flange (not a terribly common
> occurance)
>
> Abundant NOS brake levers, because many people
> installed non-Campy aero levers on bikes from ca. 1984
> on, and...
>
> Abundant NOS SL pedals because everyone was putting
> Looks on their bikes at the same time.
>
> Tons of NOS braze-on shifters out there, not sure why.
>
> As for the scarce stuff...
>
> Cranks: too expensive to keep lots of extras around,
> then thay all cracked.
> Seatposts: They all got gouged to hell by careless
> mechanics
> Headsets: They never did last long. They're all
> pitted now. All the used SR's that aren't pitted are
> gouged to hell by careless mechanics.
> Rear Der's: They aren't as scarce as people seem to
> think (except for the 1st gen), but a lot have been
> scraped up in minor crashes
> Calipers: again, not really that scarce, but brakesets
> were expensive, so the calipers usually were run for a
> long time. Not a lot of people just went out and
> bought another set for that new frame.
>
> In the end, it seems that a fair amount of late SR
> stuff is out there, and that only the 27.2 posts, SR
> headsets, and cranks are hard to find NOS. Yet it is
> all so expensive.
>
> Tom Dalton
>
> --- walter skrzypek <wspokes1@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Tom
> > Couldn't pass up telling someone. I just picked up a
> > NR 3 holer (braze on
> > which I needed) for only $2 practically new at a
> > swap this past weekend.
> > (Not that you care, just had to mention it)
> >
> > Walt Skrzypek
> > Falls Creek, Pa
> >
> > For what it is worth, it is newer with the three
> > holes as opposed to the 4
> > holers. You are right in that respect. Bands???
> > sorry I only know the braze
> > on. Peace!
> >
> >
> > >From: Tom Dalton <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com>
> > >To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net
> > >CC: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > >Subject: Re: [CR]re: first generation Super Record
> > Derailleurs
> > >Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:11:31 -0800 (PST)
> > >
> > >Chuck,
> > >Here is the part that concerns me:
> > >
> > >Record front derailleur with four holes (later
> > >to be three) in cage, straight-band
> > >clamp (later to revert to traditional pointed-band
> > >clamp),
> > >
> > >It is not clear which, if either, of these changes
> > >occurred first. My theory is that the three-hole
> > cage
> > >replaced the four holer before the new-style
> > pointed
> > >clamp replaced the straight band. I say this only
> > >because I have seen a few three holers with staight
> > >bands, and I assume that they reflect production
> > >subsequent the former change and prior to the
> > later.
> > >On the other hand, I have seen maybe one or two
> > four
> > >holers with pointed clamps, but I figure that those
> > >may have started life with straight bands only to
> > have
> > >the bands break (as they often did, I assume) and
> > >require replacement. Do you have any ideas on this
> > >(admittedly trivial) matter?
> > >
> > >Tom (lookin' for a four-holer) Dalton
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--- Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> > wrote:
> > > > Here's the pertinent parts about the Record
> > front
> > > > derailleur changing to
> > > > Super Record (no holes to four holes to three
> > holes)
> > > > from the Campagnolo
> > > > Timeline (http://www.velo-retro.com)
> > > >
> > > > 1978 -- CPSC mandates changes to NR/SR. Included
> > are
> > > > a front derailleur
> > > > lip, 2.5 mm increase in spacing
> > > > between crank spider and arm (to clear the front
> > > > derailleur lip) with
> > > > corresponding increase in bottom
> > > > bracket axle length, a curved quick release
> > lever
> > > > and ball-end added to
> > > > quick release conical adjuster,
> > > > dome-shape added to quick release cam lever on
> > brake
> > > > calipers, and
> > > > plastic safety-piece on rear derailleur
> > > > screws.
> > > > 1979 -- Catalog #17a Supplement is printed for
> > the
> > > > year-end trade shows.
> > > > Introduced are a revised Super Record derailleur
> > > > with script logo and
> > > > different cage geometry, single bolt
> > > > Super Record seat post, Record front derailleur
> > with
> > > > four holes (later
> > > > to be three) in cage, straight-band
> > > > clamp (later to revert to traditional
> > pointed-band
> > > > clamp), short Nuovo
> > > > Record dropouts without eyelets,
> > > > chain holder with accompanying control lever and
> > > > trigger, and fixing
> > > > shoe-plate for pedals.
> > > > 1980 -- Development starts on the Campagnolo
> > > > freewheel, a combination of
> > > > aluminum, titanium, and steel
> > > > with a three-pawl rachet system. It was
> > originally a
> > > > floating, two-pawl
> > > > design, then a floating three-pawl,
> > > > and finally a fixed three-pawl design for
> > > > production. (It's presumed the
> > > > floating-pawl design was too difficult
> > > > to service). The last project that Tullio
> > personally
> > > > oversaw. The 980
> > > > low-cost rear derailleur is introduced.
> > > > 1982 -- Olympic Catalog is printed for the
> > year-end
> > > > trade shows.
> > > > The Campagnolo freewheel is introduced along
> > with
> > > > the Super Record front
> > > > derailleur with black anodized
> > > > arms, three holes and brazed-on fitting option,
> > the
> > > > HiLo Record rear hub
> > > > (reputed to be originally
> > > > custom-made for the West German Olympic Team in
> > > > 1972), toe clips in both
> > > > steel and alloy versions, the
> > > > second version of the titanium axle bottom
> > bracked
> > > > (solid instead of
> > > > hollow, with nuts rather than bolts), the
> > > > 980 rear derailleur (project started in
> > September
> > > > 1980?), and BMX
> > > > crankset (gold, blue, or silver anodizing),
> > > > pedal (gold, blue or black), and large or small
> > hubs
> > > > (gold, blue or
> > > > silver). Also, a series of promotional items
> > > > are offered; corkscrew, nutcracker, a limited
> > > > edition belt buckle set,
> > > > an Olympic lapel pin set, a folding,
> > > > disposable razor, a travel bag, and various
> > > > Campagnolo window and frame
> > > > stickers.
> > > >
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