Re: [CR]Campy Super Record BB question

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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:22:30 -0800 (PST)
From: "Tom Dalton" <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]Campy Super Record BB question
To: Marc Boral <mbikealive@earthlink.net>
Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
In-Reply-To: <3AB64BAF.D158A1@earthlink.net>


Mark: The main reason I suggest that early Syncro was not really intended for C-record is that members of the US Campy tech support crew said as much in 1987. On the other hand they had it on their C-equipped neutral support bikes, so who knows. In reality, I don't recall ever seeing a photo of any pro or elite level rider using Syncro prior to the slant ders. of 1990. Soon after, some pros went to Syncro. In my experience with the friction-optional Syncro 2 is that it was a bit fussy and required very careful preparation of the shifter boss. By the time index-only version came out, the system worked pretty well, and lots of riders were using it.
> > addiition of "AS" marking to chainrings Came out
> when the cranks
> > started appearing w/laser etched logo...'87

That is good news for me. Looks like I have the "correct" rings for my arms. You're pretty sure about this?
> > addition of raised area around pedal hole Early
> '90s, I don't know
> > exact year. Seems when the logo went from laser
> to black anodizing is
> > when raised area started.

I didn't realize that there were three types of logo. I have seen the stamped 'origional equipment stress riser' and the others. You're saying the early non-stamped ones were laser-etched and the later ones were anodized? My newer ones do have much, much darker logos and the rasied area at the hole. My older ones have a barely visible logo, recessed pedal hole, and possibly a slightly different shape by the spider.
> > deletion of top "wheel change" spring on rear
> Upper body spring was
> > incorporated in first edition only. The next
> version in '87 did not
> > have it.

I have a rear that looks exactly like the origional (shield logo, no cutouts on pulley cage) but no upper spring. Must be 1987-ish. I've seen later models with cutout and threaded inner pulley cage (like NR). Newest ones are script logo, with cutouts and threaded cage plate.


--- Marc Boral wrote:


> Hi Tom, In bold, I've addressed your questions:
>
>
> Tom Dalton wrote:
>
> > I referred to 1990 as the beginning of C-record
> > indexing becausee that was the first year for the
> > slant parallelogram rear derailleur and the
> large-wrap
> > shifter. Previous Campy indexing systems were of
> > course available, but in my experience thay didn't
> > work too well with the origional C rear
> derailleur.
> > Early on Campy really promoted indexing as an
> > "enthusiast" level feature, didn't they? I really
> can't remember how
> > Campy promoted them, but I would disagree about
> your implication. The
> > first edition C-Rec. derailleur was in use in '84.
> So teams didn't
> > have an option to use Syncro shifter untill '87.
>
> > This implied
> > that it didn't really go along with pro quality
> group.
> > I don't remember any pro teams using indexing
> until
> > the derailleur was changed.
> >
> > Do you have dates for:
> > switch to 7/32" front hub bearing '90
> > switch to 3/16" headset bearing '90
> >
> > Tom Dalton
> > --- Marc Boral <mbikealive@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > Hi Tom,
> > >
> > > Yes, '90 for 7/32 bearings and also cassettes.
> > > Campy indexing was
> > > available in '87.
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> > > Tom Dalton wrote:
> > >
> > > > Was the cup change as late as that? I thought
> it
> > > was
> > > > earlier. That would be when they changed to
> > > indexing
> > > > and cassette, so you're probably correct.
> > > >
> > > > Was the big headset intrduced then also (the
> one
> > > with
> > > > 3/16" bearings)?
> > > >
> > > > --- Marc Boral <mbikealive@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> > > > > C-Rec cups are the same as SR, until 1990
> when
> > > they
> > > > > started using 7/32
> > > > > bearings.
> > > > >
> > > > > Marc Boral
> > > > >
> > > > > Bikerdaver@aol.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hey Ya'll,
> > > > > > I have a quick question about Campy Super
> > > Record
> > > > > BBs. Do They Use the Same
> > > > > > Cups as Does a C-Record BB? (Hope this
> isn't
> > > > > off-topic) Cheers,
> > > > > > Dave Anderson
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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