Re: [CR]re: first generation Super Record Derailleurs

(Example: Production Builders:Teledyne)

To: tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com
Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:53:57 -0500
Subject: Re: [CR]re: first generation Super Record Derailleurs
From: "Richard M Sachs" <richardsachs@juno.com>


i have seen black headsets and chainrings on sr equipped bikes at various trade shows in the early/mid '70s. i've seen/had the sr ti-axled hubs and bb's, too. way back when... very artsy stuff! e-RICHIE

On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:32:10 -0800 (PST) Tom Dalton <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com> writes:
> An earlier post mentioned the black-anodized SR
> prototype SR stuff and it got me to thinking how easy
> it would be for someone to have some rings and
> headsets and seatpost parts black anodized and try to
> pass them off as ultra-rare Campy prototypes. That
> these parts show up the a catalog would make their
> authenticity at least remotely plausible. I will not
> be surprised if something like that shows up on Ebay
> soon... or perhaps some Super Record hub axles. Who
> has ever actually seen one? A ti axle marked Brev.
> Int. probably wouldn't be too hard to make.
>
>
> --- Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Tom Dalton wrote:
> > >
> > > Chuck,
> > > Here is the part that concerns me:
> > >
> > > Record front derailleur with four holes (later
> > > to be three) in cage, straight-band
> > > clamp (later to revert to traditional pointed-band
> > > clamp),
> > >
> > > It is not clear which, if either, of these changes
> > > occurred first. My theory is that the three-hole
> > cage
> > > replaced the four holer before the new-style
> > pointed
> > > clamp replaced the straight band. I say this only
> > > because I have seen a few three holers with
> > staight
> > > bands, and I assume that they reflect production
> > > subsequent the former change and prior to the
> > later.
> > > On the other hand, I have seen maybe one or two
> > four
> > > holers with pointed clamps, but I figure that
> > those
> > > may have started life with straight bands only to
> > have
> > > the bands break (as they often did, I assume) and
> > > require replacement. Do you have any ideas on
> > this
> > > (admittedly trivial) matter?
> > >
> > > Tom (lookin' for a four-holer) Dalton
> >
> >
> > All these changes took place in a very short time
> > span I seem to
> > remember. I have no idea what was wrong with having
> > the "extra" hole in
> > the cage (most people never noticed). The straight
> > band clamp got a
> > reputation for being delicate like a front Huret (in
> > other words, don't
> > get it too tight).
> >
> > It is so easy to swap parts around on these things,
> > that it makes it
> > hard to make judgements on their authenticity as to
> > originality. I used
> > to take mine apart and get the arms black anodized.
> > I also did hubs
> > (after removing the races from the bodies), headsets
> > (same deal) and
> > chainrings. I would love to be around to hear the
> > arguments when the
> > stuff starts showing up a swapmeets!
> >
> > Chuck Schmidt
> > South Pasadena, California
> > headed toward the high 70s today and clear
>
>
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