Re: Re: [CR]Pinnicle of the vintage lightweight era?

(Example: Framebuilders:Masi)

To: stevens@veloworks.com
Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:27:48 -0500
Subject: Re: Re: [CR]Pinnicle of the vintage lightweight era?
From: "Richard M Sachs" <richardsachs@juno.com>


the easy answer to steven's query is 'yes'. anybody can do anything to any lug and affect a change in its appearance. my points had nothing to do with aesthetics, 'ceptin that ornate cast lugs are the work of the foundry, not the framebuilder... i had failed to make the additional point that the (metal used to make a) cast lug is less equal to the tubing it holds than the type which preceeded it. the quality of a lugged joint comes from the skill of the brazer and the precision of the miters, not from what type of material the lug is fabricated from. yes, the cast steel is stronger than the (older) pressed steel. but once the joint is brazed, i feel its integrity is enhanced by the pressed steel lug type. similarly, i feel it's integrity is NOT ENHANCED by using lugs of cast steel. (i don't want to say it's less enhanced, or weaker, or poorer...). what one does to change a lugs' ornamental details is a seperate issue that does not apply here. however, the original post was about vintage/classic...and i feel once the industry embraced pre-fabbed material, (read: cast parts...), it was the end of that era doland asked about. e-RICHIE

On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:11:59 -0800 "stevens" <stevens@veloworks.com> writes:
   But can't an investment cast lugset still be filed and indiviualized just as a stamped lugset would be? Couldn't a builder design a blank lugset and have it cast (which is supposed to make for a stronger lugset as well, no?) and then file each individual blank the same way he might file a stamped lugset?