RE: Re: Re: [CR]Pinnicle of the vintage lightweight era?

(Example: Production Builders:LeJeune)

To: richardsachs@juno.com, stevens@veloworks.com
Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
From: "stevens" <stevens@veloworks.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Re: [CR]Pinnicle of the vintage lightweight era?
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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:28:02 -0800


So Mario Confente/Masi California is responsible for the downfall of the classic lightweight ... right?


>--- Original Message ---
>From: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com>
>To: stevens@veloworks.com
>Date: 3/23/01 3:27:48 PM
>
>the easy answer to steven's query is 'yes'. anybody
>can do anything to any lug and affect a change in its
>appearance. my points had nothing to do with aesthetics,
>'ceptin that ornate cast lugs are the work of the foundry,
>not the framebuilder...
>i had failed to make the additional point that the (metal
>used to make a) cast lug is less equal to the tubing it holds
>than the type which preceeded it. the quality of a lugged joint
>comes from the skill of the brazer and the precision of the miters,
>not from what type of material the lug is fabricated from.
>yes, the cast steel is stronger than the (older) pressed steel.
>but once the joint is brazed, i feel its integrity is enhanced by
>the pressed steel lug type. similarly, i feel it's integrity is NOT
>ENHANCED by using lugs of cast steel. (i don't want to say it's
>less enhanced, or weaker, or poorer...).
>what one does to change a lugs' ornamental details is a seperate
>issue that does not apply here. however, the original post was about
>vintage/classic...and i feel once the industry embraced pre-fabbed
>material, (read: cast parts...), it was the end of that era doland asked
>about.
>e-RICHIE
>
>On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:11:59 -0800 "stevens" <stevens@veloworks.com>
>writes:
> But can't an investment cast lugset still be filed and indiviualized
>just as a stamped lugset would be? Couldn't a builder design
>a blank lugset and have it cast (which is supposed to make for
>a stronger lugset as well, no?) and then file each individual
>blank the same way he might file a stamped lugset?