It takes me back to 1972 in New York when I purchased a used green Atala, equiped with Valentino front and rear deraileurs. God, they were beautiful. They never worked perfectly but they took for many day long adventures in New York City. Can we get pictures of the rear Deraileur too?
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> 1. Re: Wheel Size for Juvenille Peugot (Eric Elman)
> 2. Re: Wheel Size for Juvenille Peugot (Eric Elman)
> 3. Re: Wheel Size for Juvenille Peugot (Bob Reid)
> 4. Gios and Simoncini (brucerobbins@worldmailer.com)
> 5. Gios and Simoncini (brucerobbins@worldmailer.com)
> 6. What year is my Campagnolo Valentino front derailleur?
(Wornoutguy@aol.com)
> 7. Re: Wheel Size for Juvenille Peugot (Sheldon Brown)
> 8. Re: URLs for Toei, Pegasus, etc (Monkeyman)
> 9. Re: URLs for Toei, Pegasus, etc (Douglas R. Brooks)
> 10. Re: Wheel Size for Juvenille Peugot (Jerry & Liz Moos)
> 11. hub bearing adjustment (tomwitkop@juno.com)
> 12. Re: hub bearing adjustment (Chuck Schmidt)
> 13. Valentino, Japan, and lambing season (swampmtn)
> 14. Re: URLs for Toei, Pegasus, etc (Chuck Schmidt)
> 15. Re: URLs for Toei, Pegasus, etc (garry nold)
> 16. Re: URLs for Toei, Pegasus, etc (gregparker1)
> 17. RE: URLs for Toei, Pegasus, etc (Mark Bulgier)
> 18. Re: hub bearing adjustment (Bob Reid)
> 19. Ripped campag hood - ouch! (Stewart Barrie)
> 20. Reaults of "$300 Rebate?" (Roy H. Drinkwater)
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 1
> From: "Eric Elman" <tr4play@home.com>
> To: "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com>,
> "Classic Lightweights" <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Wheel Size for Juvenille Peugot
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 16:02:19 -0400
>
> Steve,
>
> The tires for your bike, based on the bad one I still have from it are
> 37-540 as molded into the very cracked and rotted sidewall. Hope that
helps
> put this one to bed!
>
> Eric Elman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com>
> To: Classic Lightweights <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 10:43 AM
> Subject: [CR]Wheel Size for Juvenille Peugot
>
>
> > I picked up a 24" wheel sized Peugot frame from a fellow list member.
> >
> > It's either for 540 or 547 wheels/tires but I'm not sure which. Would
> > anyone know which is best for this frame? We know it's 24 x 1-3/8".
> > Sheldon's web site says:
> >
> > 24 x 1 3/8 (S-5) 547 mm Schwinn Juvenile lightweights
> > 24 x 1 3/8 (E-5) 540 mm British Juvenile, most wheelchairs
> >
> > For grins and because it's what I had, I tried a 520 wheel in there and
> it's
> > obviously too small although it looks like it could be make to work with
> > super long reach brakes if such things exist. Would anyone also know
what
> > brake reach range was used on this bike in its day?
> >
> > My interest is in restoring the bike to working order, not especially
> > restoring it to period correctness, although if those two goals don't
> > conflict, I'll choose the right parts if I can find them.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > I have a very excited and still a little too short 8-1/2 year old who
> wants
> > to ride this bike in the worst (and best!) way.
> >
> > --
> > Steve Freides
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 2
> From: "Eric Elman" <tr4play@home.com>
> To: "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com>,
> "Sheldon Brown" <CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com>
> Cc: "Classic Lightweights" <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Wheel Size for Juvenille Peugot
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 16:09:48 -0400
>
> Steve,
>
> Just read your latest post of questions. The original and bent rim from
> your bike is a "Rigida Chromage Superchrome" date stamped "<73> " and "24
x
> 1 3/8" "Made in France" with serated sides. Hubs are Normandy Sport with
> nuts. Original freewheel was a Cyclo 72 with 14, 16, 18, 21, 23 plus the
> typical chromed gaudy spoke protector.
>
> Again, hope that's helpful. Keep the questions coming and I'll try and
> provide accurate answers in a timely manner.
>
> Eric "I have an original one" Elman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com>
> To: Sheldon Brown <CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com>
> Cc: Classic Lightweights <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 2:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR]Wheel Size for Juvenille Peugot
>
>
> > Very good. Are decent tires also available in this size? I recall my
> last
> > search for road-worthy tires for my wife's 540mm wheeled Terry Moo
turned
> up
> > very little except some very heavy wheelchair tires. I guess I should
> also
> > ask: Are the rims are of reasonably light weight, too? Can beggars be
> > choosers?
> >
> > Any guesses as to the approximate vintage of the bike? No decals about
> > tubing, no serial number on BB shell, just lots of Peugot stickers.
> Stamped
> > dropouts.
> >
> > Anything special to use in terms of hubs for period correctness?
> >
> > What are the period-correct front and rear OLD size?
> >
> > -
> >
> > Sheldon Brown wrote:
> > >
> > > Quoth Steve Freides:
> > >
> > > >I picked up a 24" wheel sized Peugot frame from a fellow list member.
> > > >
> > > >It's either for 540 or 547 wheels/tires but I'm not sure which.
Would
> > > >anyone know which is best for this frame? We know it's 24 x 1-3/8".
> > > >Sheldon's web site says:
> > > >
> > > > 24 x 1 3/8 (S-5) 547 mm Schwinn Juvenile lightweights
> > > > 24 x 1 3/8 (E-5) 540 mm British Juvenile, most wheelchairs
> > >
> > > The 540 size is also French 600A, which is certainly what this bike
> > > was made for. We've got rims...
> > >
> > > Sheldon "Roues Et Jantes" Brown
> > > Newtonville, Massachusetts
> > > +----------------------------------------------+
> > > | Music expresses that which cannot be said |
> > > | and on which it is impossible to be silent. |
> > > | --Victor Hugo |
> > > +----------------------------------------------+
> > > Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
> > > Phone 617-244-9772, 617-244-1040, FAX 617-244-1041
> > > http://harriscyclery.com
> > > Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
> > > http://captainbike.com
> > > Useful articles about bicycles and cycling
> > > http://sheldonbrown.com
> >
> > --
> > Steve Freides
> >
> > _______________________________________________
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 21:37:22 +0100
> Subject: Re: [CR]Wheel Size for Juvenille Peugot
> From: Bob Reid <bob.reid@btconnect.com>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>
> I sent this a few hours ago to the list but it seems to have gone adrift
! -
> If it has appeared twice I do apologise.
>
>
> Steve,
>
> In support of what Hilary is saying, I've checked a couple of Juvenile
> models from the late 80's that I still have ! and these were fitted with
> Wolber 600 x 28A's (28-541) tyres on Superchromix 600A rims and utilise
65mm
> drop Weinmann alloy sidepulls & Weinmann (Junior) levers.
>
> hope this helps.
>
> Bob Reid
> Stonehaven
> Scotland
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> Date: 4 Apr 2001 14:00:46 -0700
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> From: brucerobbins@worldmailer.com
> Subject: [CR]Gios and Simoncini
>
> Hi folks,
>
> A chap I purchased a pre-war McNeil Brothers frame from has Gios and
Simoncini frames which I might be able to get.
>
> Can anyone give me a brief history of these marques, particularly, how
long have they been made? The Gios, I know, was a very good bike but, beyond
that, is an unknown quantity to me. Unfortunately, I don't know yet which
models we are talking about as I haven't seen the frames.
>
> Apologies for my ignorance but Italian bikes, with the exception of
Cinelli, are a complete mystery to me.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Bruce.
>
>
>
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>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 5
> Date: 4 Apr 2001 14:00:33 -0700
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> From: brucerobbins@worldmailer.com
> Subject: [CR]Gios and Simoncini
>
> Hi folks,
>
> A chap I purchased a pre-war McNeil Brothers frame from has Gios and
Simoncini frames which I might be able to get.
>
> Can anyone give me a brief history of these marques, particularly, how
long have they been made? The Gios, I know, was a very good bike but, beyond
that, is an unknown quantity to me. Unfortunately, I don't know yet which
models we are talking about as I haven't seen the frames.
>
> Apologies for my ignorance but Italian bikes, with the exception of
Cinelli, are a complete mystery to me.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Bruce.
>
>
>
> Get your free email with GroupWeb Worldmailer at
> http://www.worldmailer.com. Send and receive e-mail
> from any computer with a web browser.
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 6
> From: Wornoutguy@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:19:47 EDT
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]What year is my Campagnolo Valentino front derailleur?
>
> I just purchased a Campagnolo Valentino front derailleur form a cyclist in
LA
> for the whopping sum of $5.00. I saw on Chuck Schmidt's web page that
that
> model rear came out in 1964 then he states later that the group was
> introduced in 67. It has the old logo on the cage that moves the chain it
is
> the old pushrod type non pivoting It has a steel clamp that has Campagnolo
> embossed the only marking I can find is a number 3 I can email someone a
> photo if they can help me? Sam DiBartolomeo
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 16:36:35 -0400
> To: Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com>
> From: Sheldon Brown <CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Wheel Size for Juvenille Peugot
> Cc: Classic Lightweights <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>
> At 2:37 PM -0400 4/4/01, Steve Freides wrote:
> >Very good. Are decent tires also available in this size? I recall my
last
> >search for road-worthy tires for my wife's 540mm wheeled Terry Moo turned
up
> >very little except some very heavy wheelchair tires. I guess I should
also
> >ask: Are the rims are of reasonably light weight, too? Can beggars be
> >choosers?
>
> The rims are 500 grams on my scale, Rigida simple channel aluminum
> rims, similar to the old Weinmann 210. 36 holes $19.95 each.
>
> There are a fair range of tires available in this size, including
> very light wheelchair basketball tires.
>
> I've got a line on some slicks for your wife's 507 rims...
>
> >Any guesses as to the approximate vintage of the bike? No decals about
> >tubing, no serial number on BB shell, just lots of Peugot stickers.
Stamped
> >dropouts.
>
> Could be '60s, could be '80s. This sort of bike is quite common in
> France, usually as a one or 3-speed.
>
> >
> >Anything special to use in terms of hubs for period correctness?
> >
> >What are the period-correct front and rear OLD size?
>
> Could be pretty skinny, they had different standards for juvenile
> sizes. I don't think this is worth worrying about "period
> correctness" because it's not rare nor high end (though uncommon
> _this_ side of the Pond.)
>
> Could probably dig up some recycled Normandys, even so you'll still
> probably have to spread the frame & fork, maybe also file the
> dropouts.
>
> All the best,
>
> Sheldon
>
>
> >
> >-
> >
> >Sheldon Brown wrote:
> >>
> >> Quoth Steve Freides:
> >>
> >> >I picked up a 24" wheel sized Peugot frame from a fellow list member.
> >> >
> >> >It's either for 540 or 547 wheels/tires but I'm not sure which. Would
> >> >anyone know which is best for this frame? We know it's 24 x 1-3/8".
> >> >Sheldon's web site says:
> >> >
> >> > 24 x 1 3/8 (S-5) 547 mm Schwinn Juvenile lightweights
> >> > 24 x 1 3/8 (E-5) 540 mm British Juvenile, most wheelchairs
> >>
> >> The 540 size is also French 600A, which is certainly what this bike
> >> was made for. We've got rims...
> >>
> >> Sheldon "Roues Et Jantes" Brown
> >> Newtonville, Massachusetts
> >> +----------------------------------------------+
> >> | Music expresses that which cannot be said |
> >> | and on which it is impossible to be silent. |
> >> | --Victor Hugo |
> >> +----------------------------------------------+
> >> Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
> >> Phone 617-244-9772, 617-244-1040, FAX 617-244-1041
> >> http://harriscyclery.com
> >> Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
> >> http://captainbike.com
> >> Useful articles about bicycles and cycling
> >> http://sheldonbrown.com
> >
> >--
> >Steve Freides
>
> Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
> Phone 617-244-9772, 617-244-1040, FAX 617-244-1041
> http://harriscyclery.com
> Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
> http://captainbike.com
> Useful articles about bicycles and cycling
> http://sheldonbrown.com
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 16:56:43 -0800
> To: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com>, <QYP02710@nifty.com>,
> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> From: Monkeyman <monkey37@bluemarble.net>
> Subject: Re: [CR]URLs for Toei, Pegasus, etc
>
> >that have come through over the years!
> >has anybody else looked at these?
> >i'm surprised there is no thread started by these
> >wonderful sites. any takers?!
> >e-RICHIE
>
> The only reason I haven't written anything sooner is between work and
> looking at these pages I haven't had a spare moment. I took a lot of heat
> from list members about my saying there were plenty of people that could
> build in the Herse style and do it better for well under $8000. Well
> here's the evidence. I am totally blown away from what I see on these
> pages. A very large number of my friends are professional framebuilders
so
> I know the goods when I see it and these are it. Hirose does it all
> including making his own brakes and deraileurs. I can't think of one
> builder in the US, or Europe, who goes this far today.
>
> I think the Japanese collectors take a lot of $#!^ from people on this
> list. People always bitch about how they're buying up all the good stuff
> and don't have the real feel for classic bikes. If some "outrageous"
price
> is paid on Ebay "of course it's a japanese collector" is always the
mantra.
> These links just prove this is total bunk. These people are truly
> dedicated to classic cycling if they can support multiple builders in
their
> country building in this style. Sorry if my words are a bit strong, but
> these links have really opened my eyes beyond my little western world. I
> knew quality bikes of interesting design were still built there, but this
> really is the next step forward while looking backward. I am humble
before
> the images I have seen.
>
> thanks,
> Brandon"monkeyman"Ives
>
> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Nobody can do everything,
> but if everybody did something
> everything would get done.
> -Gil Scott Heron-
> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 9
> From: "Douglas R. Brooks" <dbrk@troi.cc.rochester.edu>
> Subject: Re: [CR]URLs for Toei, Pegasus, etc
> To: monkey37@bluemarble.net (Monkeyman)
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 20:17:11 -0400 (EDT)
> Cc: richardsachs@juno.com, QYP02710@nifty.com,
> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> It's my understanding that one can still buy a Toei
> from Japan, though you'd need Jitensha or someone who
> speaks Japanese to help.
> But, just to reply to Brandon, a fully-equipped Toei
> I am told runs about 5K, this with an array of old school parts,
> mudguards, lights internally wired, custom racks, etc.
> This is exactly the same cost as a new Singer from M. Csuka
> in Paris. M. Csuka will indeed make you a custom stem too,
> though I think not the brakes or cranks any longer.
> I believe the point concerning Japanese collectors is not
> that they lack a commitment or love of these wonderful style
> bikes but, more precisely, that they do and are willing to reach
> into their pockets to obtain what they love. I have nothing to
> say about what folks are willing to pay for anything, that being
> their business and none of mine.
> I am wondering if Hirose is still in business and I wish
> I spoke and read Japanese.
> Does anyone know?
> These are indeed beautiful and masterfully made bikes.
>
> no bike pages in Sanskrit, Tibetan, Tamil... but I could help there,
> and I might get to Japan in the next few years and would love to
> know how one might visit these shops,
> Douglas Brooks
> Canandaigua, NY
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 21:01:11 -0500
> From: Jerry & Liz Moos <moos@penn.com>
> To: Sheldon Brown <CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com>
> Cc: Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com>,
> Classic Lightweights <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Wheel Size for Juvenille Peugot
>
> My duaghter's old mid 80's Romic junior road bike has "22-541" Wolbers,
> also marked 600A x 22, on Nisi rims.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
>
> Sheldon Brown wrote:
>
> > Quoth Steve Freides:
> >
> > >I picked up a 24" wheel sized Peugot frame from a fellow list member.
> > >
> > >It's either for 540 or 547 wheels/tires but I'm not sure which. Would
> > >anyone know which is best for this frame? We know it's 24 x 1-3/8".
> > >Sheldon's web site says:
> > >
> > > 24 x 1 3/8 (S-5) 547 mm Schwinn Juvenile lightweights
> > > 24 x 1 3/8 (E-5) 540 mm British Juvenile, most wheelchairs
> >
> > The 540 size is also French 600A, which is certainly what this bike
> > was made for. We've got rims...
> >
> > Sheldon "Roues Et Jantes" Brown
> > Newtonville, Massachusetts
> > +----------------------------------------------+
> > | Music expresses that which cannot be said |
> > | and on which it is impossible to be silent. |
> > | --Victor Hugo |
> > +----------------------------------------------+
> > Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
> > Phone 617-244-9772, 617-244-1040, FAX 617-244-1041
> > http://harriscyclery.com
> > Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
> > http://captainbike.com
> > Useful articles about bicycles and cycling
> > http://sheldonbrown.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 11
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 21:15:17 -0400
> From: tomwitkop@juno.com
> Subject: [CR]hub bearing adjustment
>
> Dear fellow list members:
> For the long haul, what is a better bearing adjustment-slightly tight or
> slightly lose on a mid or lower-level loose ball bearing hub such as
> Normandy,atom, Schwinn approved? (This is not a problem I experience with
> higher level loose bearing hubs or sealed bearing hubs). I am not looking
> for optimum efficiency but optimal life. I want to avoid the dreaded
> broken axle but also avoid brinneling. When I used to set up bikes, they
> almost universally came with slightly tight bearings-perhaps the
> manufacturer's knew something. In thank you for your current attention
> hereto.
> TomWitkop
> Rockville, Maryland
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> --__--__--
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:52:20 -0800
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net
> To: tomwitkop@juno.com
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]hub bearing adjustment
>
> tomwitkop@juno.com wrote:
> >
> > Dear fellow list members:
> > For the long haul, what is a better bearing adjustment-slightly tight or
> > slightly lose on a mid or lower-level loose ball bearing hub such as
> > Normandy,atom, Schwinn approved? (This is not a problem I experience
with
> > higher level loose bearing hubs or sealed bearing hubs). I am not
looking
> > for optimum efficiency but optimal life. I want to avoid the dreaded
> > broken axle but also avoid brinneling. When I used to set up bikes, they
> > almost universally came with slightly tight bearings-perhaps the
> > manufacturer's knew something. In thank you for your current attention
> > hereto.
> > TomWitkop
> > Rockville, Maryland
>
>
> According to Jobst Brandt: ball bearings should have a preload,
> otherwise the load is being supported by one or two balls at the bottom
> of the race.
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, California
> winter weather is back in L.A. . . . at least what passes for winter
> weather in L.A.
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 13
> From: "swampmtn" <swampmtn@siscom.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 21:59:43 -0400
> Subject: [CR]Valentino, Japan, and lambing season
>
> An grumpy and irritable listmember has an *excellent* photoalbum
describing
> various bits and features of Campagnolo's push-rod front derailleurs.
> Please see:
>
> http://albums.photopoint.com/
>
> And speaking of Japanese list members: I may be visiting Japan this
> autumn... can anyone recommend bicycle shops or museums I may wish to
> visit?
>
> Tonight was the first vintage ride of the year - took the Girardengo down
> the road to the Greek restaurant... then on the way home I stopped at TVL
> farm and watched triplet lambs being born. More about that coming soon on
> the Panther Run mailing list. Please contact me if interested.
>
> Aldo Ross
> Sunny and 62F in Ohio.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Wornoutguy@aol.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 5:19 PM
> Subject: [CR]What year is my Campagnolo Valentino front derailleur?
>
>
> > I just purchased a Campagnolo Valentino front derailleur form a cyclist
in
> LA
> > for the whopping sum of $5.00. I saw on Chuck Schmidt's web page that
> that
> > model rear came out in 1964 then he states later that the group was
> > introduced in 67. It has the old logo on the cage that moves the chain
it
> is
> > the old pushrod type non pivoting It has a steel clamp that has
Campagnolo
> > embossed the only marking I can find is a number 3 I can email someone
a
> > photo if they can help me? Sam DiBartolomeo
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 19:14:37 -0800
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]URLs for Toei, Pegasus, etc
>
> Brandon Ives wrote:
> >
> (snip)
> > I think the Japanese collectors take a lot of $#!^ from people on this
> > list. People always bitch about how they're buying up all the good
stuff
> > and don't have the real feel for classic bikes. If some "outrageous"
price
> > is paid on Ebay "of course it's a japanese collector" is always the
mantra.
> > These links just prove this is total bunk.
>
>
> I don't think this is the case. I think it has always been an "Antiques
> Road Show" kind of situation. People not aware of the current market
> value of their possessions. The guy getting his antique saber apprased
> that he found in the attic and played with as a kid (even cutting
> watermellon with it) and being told "on today's market this piece is
> worth between $80,000 and $120,000!"
>
> People have expressed their surprise on this list... not outrage.
>
> When I hear someone say, "I could buy a whole bike for what you payed
> for that derailleur!" I say, "And your point is...?"
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, California
>
>
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>
> Message: 15
> From: "garry nold" <lksbks@ix.netcom.com>
> To: <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]URLs for Toei, Pegasus, etc
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 19:20:18 -0700
>
> Chuck,
> I would be the first to agree. The NR derailer that I saved for and cost
> $29.99 at the time, now sells for that even used up!
> Unfortunately the example you cite was a fraud. The Road Show folks even
use
> it as an example of unscrupulous dealers.
> The guy that gave the fake appraisal was kicked off the show.
> Garry Nold
> lksbks@ix.netcom.com
>
> Almost 70deg near Seattle today, go Mariners!
>
> > I don't think this is the case. I think it has always been an "Antiques
> > Road Show" kind of situation. People not aware of the current market
> > value of their possessions. The guy getting his antique saber apprased
> > that he found in the attic and played with as a kid (even cutting
> > watermellon with it) and being told "on today's market this piece is
> > worth between $80,000 and $120,000!"
> >
> > People have expressed their surprise on this list... not outrage.
> >
> > When I hear someone say, "I could buy a whole bike for what you payed
> > for that derailleur!" I say, "And your point is...?"
> >
> > Chuck Schmidt
> > South Pasadena, California
> >
> > _______________________________________________
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 22:59:31 -0500
> From: gregparker1 <GregParker1@compuserve.com>
> Subject: Re: [CR]URLs for Toei, Pegasus, etc
> To: "garry nold" <lksbks@ix.netcom.com>
> Cc: gregparker1 <110404.153@compuserve.com>,
> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, chuckschmidt@earthlink.net
>
> Yes, but the $25 end table that later went for over $320K at auction was =
> real!
>
> Greg Parker
> -------------Forwarded Message-----------------
>
> From: "garry nold", INTERNET:lksbks@ix.netcom.com
> To: , INTERNET:classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> , INTERNET:chuckschmidt@earthlink.net
> =
>
> Date: 4/4/01 10:28 PM
>
> RE: Re: [CR]URLs for Toei, Pegasus, etc
>
> =
>
> Chuck,
> I would be the first to agree. The NR derailer that I saved for and cost
> $29.99 at the time, now sells for that even used up!
> Unfortunately the example you cite was a fraud. The Road Show folks even =
> use
> it as an example of unscrupulous dealers.
> The guy that gave the fake appraisal was kicked off the show.
> Garry Nold
> lksbks@ix.netcom.com
>
> Almost 70deg near Seattle today, go Mariners!
>
> > I don't think this is the case. I think it has always been an "Antique=
> s
> > Road Show" kind of situation. People not aware of the current market
> > value of their possessions. The guy getting his antique saber apprased=
>
> > that he found in the attic and played with as a kid (even cutting
> > watermellon with it) and being told "on today's market this piece is
> > worth between $80,000 and $120,000!"
> >
> > People have expressed their surprise on this list... not outrage.
> >
> > When I hear someone say, "I could buy a whole bike for what you payed
> > for that derailleur!" I say, "And your point is...?"
> >
> > Chuck Schmidt
> > South Pasadena, California
> >
> > _______________________________________________
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
>
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> Message: 17
> From: Mark Bulgier <mark@bulgier.net>
> To: 'kf' <QYP02710@nifty.com>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: RE: [CR]URLs for Toei, Pegasus, etc
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 22:32:26 -0700
>
> I've only explored the first link so far, the one to your collection, but
> I'm extremely impressed. Not only with the bikes but with the web
> programming too - I just love the "Shift Up" and "Shift Down" links, and
the
> way a mouseover gives a preview of the picture the link leads to -
> brilliant!
>
> I hope every list member has gone and studied every photo of the Singer
> touring bike, at least - truly fine photos of a fantastic bike, so many
> fascinating details.
>
> I fear though, some Americans may not like the caricature of Americans, on
> the link to American bikes. Not all Americans are burnt-out long-haired
> drug addicts you know (although I am, so of course I am not offended).
>
> Honestly, you can't see me grin in e-mail, so I must say again I thought
it
> was all wonderful, even the caricature which is hilarious. Bravo!
>
> Mark Bulgier
> Seattle, Wa USA
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: kf [mailto:QYP02710@nifty.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 7:20 AM
> > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: Re: [CR]URLs for Toei, Pegasus, etc
> >
> >
> > Hello.
> >
> > I am glad to hear that members are enjoy my contribution.
> > I will introduce myself. I am a 38 years old Japanese-man,
> > live in Tokyo.
> > I like bicycle touring, not racing. And I also like collection.
> >
> > Please visit my website. Sorry these are written only
> > Japanese language.
> > *This is a site about my collection.
> > http://www12.xdsl.ne.jp/
> > *This is a site about my touring memory.
> > http://www12.xdsl.ne.jp/
> >
> > Kenji Fusejima
> > Tokyo Japan
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
>
>
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>
> Message: 18
> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 08:23:53 +0100
> Subject: Re: [CR]hub bearing adjustment
> From: Bob Reid <bob.reid@btconnect.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>
> Chuck quoted ;
>
> > According to Jobst Brandt: ball bearings should have a preload,
> > otherwise the load is being supported by one or two balls at the bottom
> > of the race.
>
> Jobst may have a valid point, but surely all any pre-load will do is just
> accelerate wear on the assembly until it gets to the point where the axle
> runs exactly how it should have been set up in the first place - Not
tight,
> not slack, and with no perceivable play.
>
> Having seen what seems like zillions of the cheapo Maillard/ Atom /
Normandy
> / Pellisier hubs from new, they all seemed to come from the factory so
> tightly adjusted you could barely turn the axle by hand however this
lasted
> little more than the time taken for it to run-in. Jobst's theory would be
> fine for new hubs, but all I feel would be achieved in doing this on an
old
> and already run-in hub would be to accelerate the wear. Keep pre-load for
> taper roller bearings.
>
> My own advice - strip the hub, clean up the cheap races and cones with
1000
> grade wet/dry abrasive paper soaked in liquid metal polish and finish off
by
> buffing up the races to as high a polish as you can achieve. Clean out and
> re-assemble with quality bearings - adjust it so it's not slack, not over
> tight, just with no perceivable play. Just think what would happen if you
> pre-loaded it, then clamped it into the frame with the quick release ?
>
> Generally poor hubs they may be, but with a little care you'll get these
to
> run as smooth as Campags finest - well almost :-)
>
> Bob Reid
> Stonehaven
> Scotland
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 19
> From: "Stewart Barrie" <sbarrie@bellefield.worldonline.co.uk>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:18:36 +0100
> Subject: [CR]Ripped campag hood - ouch!
>
> Ulimate carelessness here - I have managed to rip a one of brand new =
> pair of brown camapgnolo record hoods (shield) from the just below the =
> cable entry points to about halfway down one side. Does anyone know of =
> any way of sticking these back together?
>
> Incidentally are there any treatments for prolonging the lives of NOS =
> hoods which are to get daily use.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Stewart
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 06:22:43 -0400
> From: "Roy H. Drinkwater" <roydrink@mac.com>
> To: classic list <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Reaults of "$300 Rebate?"
>
> The results of the second CR survey are in, =B3What would you spend
you=
> r
> $300.00 tax rebate on?=B2 Nobody asked for anonymity, so I=B9ll use
names.
> Responses are edited for length.
>
> Altruistic: David Allen - would buy bikes at Goodwill and donate them to
> the Boys Club.
>
> Warmth: Richard Rose - gets a Richard Sachs Jacket and Vintage Velos wool
> jerseys.
>
> Nepotism: Walt Skrzypek - Campy & Bianchi stuff at his Moms bike shop.
>
> Anglophile: Jim Salzlein - British 3 speed stuff (See you at the British
> Bike Weekend swapmeet, I=B9ll be wearing a Tweed jacket & tie)
>
> Stylish: David Goerndt - Down payment on a CyclArt Restoration of a '63
> Cinelli SC.
>
> Facetious: =B3halbike=B2 - one third of a Simplex derailleuer
>
> Next question to follow.
>
> Roy H. Drinkwater=20
>
>
>
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