Re: [CR]Bike technology peaked in the 1984?

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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 07:54:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Tom Dalton" <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]Bike technology peaked in the 1984?
To: Diane Feldman <feldmanbike@home.com>
Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
In-Reply-To: <004501c0c876$64a05860$1c29b018@vncvr1.wa.home.com>


>>>>There are reasons that men and women working in bike stores ride older equipment, or the older forms of newer stuff--familiarity in some cases sure doesn't breed greater endearment.

In general, I'd say shop employees are about the most likely people to have the latest stuff. An alarming number of shop employees are relatively new to riding and are on their first or second bike. Often they jump on a new bike during their first year (read "summer") of employment, thrilled by getting new stuff at or below cost. The folks riding the old stuff are usually the people who have been around the longest amnd have gotten over the "stuff at cost" issue. These people are also often so sick of bikes that they no longer ride. In any case, I think that you might be confusing the ideal of a shop employee (knowledgeable, experienced, enthusiastic rider) with the average reality (inexperienced newbie mountain biker).
>>>>>>I'll go out on a potentially offensive limb here and say that the folks who really, truly know the most about bikes are often the biggest skeptics about new modes of equipment.

I think the people who know the most are the people who ride the most, and these people usually ride what is avaiable until they wear it out. Then they replace it with the current equivalent. Are the new gizmos worse than the old gizmos? Rarely. Are they about the same? Sometimes. But the general trend is toward improving the equipment. Is some of that improvement totally unnecessary and driven by marketing concerns? Sure, but the top end gear is developed for use by racers and is developed with their input. If a product doesn't work they or their mechanics will reject it. Sounds starry-eyed, but based on what you see pros riding, there is ample reason to believe it. Of course I've shifted the arguement toward what works best for elite riders, but I'll say that most of what benefits them benefits riders at far lower levels.
>>>>I'll bet one gent on this list who has a magnificent collection of old and new rigs rides the old stuff often because it can need working on less often!

The new suff does not violate the laws of physics. In order for modern drivetrains to do what they do (shift among 9 or 10 cogs, near-flawlessly, in or out of the saddle, with hand on the bars) the drivetrain needs to be clean and precisely adjusted. Given precise initial setup and some routine cleaning, the stuff requires little other maintenance. The decreased need to overhaul hubs, bbs and headsets probably offsets any added drivtrain cleaning requirements.

Tom Dalton


--- Diane Feldman wrote:


> I used to work at a large bike store that sold the
> products of an, ah,
> empire of multiple bike brands. Under different
> names the companies sold us
> steel, aluminum, and carbon fiber bikes. The
> defects in the carbon and
> aluminum frames outnumbered the problems in steel
> bikes by at least ten to
> one. There is a lot of merchandise on the market
> that is lighter and more
> fashionable but just doesn't get down and do the job
> as well as some older
> items. There are reasons that men and women working
> in bike stores ride
> older equipment, or the older forms of newer
> stuff--familiarity in some
> cases sure doesn't breed greater endearment.
> I'll go out on a potentially offensive limb here and
> say that the folks who
> really, truly know the most about bikes are often
> the biggest skeptics about
> new modes of equipment. I'll bet one gent on this
> list who has a
> magnificent collection of old and new rigs rides the
> old stuff often because
> it can need working on less often!
>
> David Feldman
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "garth libre" <rabbitman@mindspring.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 2:25 PM
> Subject: [CR]Bike technology peaked in the 1984?
>
>
> Intrigued by this submission, I thought I would
> offer my response: Clipless
> pedals are a definite plus, but they were available
> in the mid 80's.
> Aluminum frames were available at that time too, but
> they are substantially
> cheaper now - However, in general, I do not find
> them to be better, just
> different. (Lighter with a discomfort price).
> Seatposts have not improved at
> all. Hubs have not improved, and I absolutely fail
> to see how threadless
> headsets or integral whatever are better. Stems
> allow you to swap handlebars
> easily, but are so ugly that they are like a visit
> from Frankenstein. Tires
> may or may not be an improvement; My memory should
> not be trusted on this
> one. I swear that shifting seems about the same.
> Braking is the same.
> Shifting from the drops: Are we fooling ourselves on
> this one? I have no
> trouble shifting in a race situation with downtube
> shifters. My rhythm is
> not thrown off, except if I need to shift in a turn.
> This is the one point
> that might have to be considered some kind of an
> improvement. However, my
> track training teaches me that one is often better
> off staying in one gear
> anyway, and certainly in a training situation,
> single gear training without
> freewheeling is hard to beat. So many road riders,
> in my area, are such poor
> riders with such high tech equipment, that I dare
> say that I do not feel
> intimidated with my downtube shifters and elegant
> lugged steel frame.
> Overall for function: Modern aluminum Sti bike
> scores an 8, 80's premium
> tubing, downtube- shifted bike scores an 8. For
> beauty: Modern bike scores a
> 4, 80's premium tubing lugged classic scores a 9.
> Sorry, I give it to the
> Classic, the Aluminum bike is the "weakest link".
>
>
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