Does anybody know where I can get some decals for a Falcon.
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>Today's Topics:
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> 1. Titanium rims on eBay (Aldo Ross)
> 2. Re: Titanium rims on eBay (Brandon Ives)
> 3. Re: Rauler Frame (OROBOYZ@aol.com)
> 4. Bike Materials [was] Titanium rims on eBay (Moos, Jerry)
> 5. Re: Bike Materials [was] Titanium rims on eBay (Brandon Ives)
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>Message: 1
>From: "Aldo Ross" <swampmtn@siscom.net>
>To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:42:30 -0400
>Subject: [CR]Titanium rims on eBay
>
>Here's something I don't remember seeing before - Araya Titanium rims:
>
>http://ebay.com/<blah>
>
>Anyone have experience with these?
>
>Aldo Ross
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 2
>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:30:16 -0500 (EST)
>From: Brandon Ives <monkey37@bluemarble.net>
>To: Aldo Ross <swampmtn@siscom.net>
>Cc: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]Titanium rims on eBay
>
>I had a pair as wheels in @'91 and they were really soft. You could
>actually feel it while riding and cornering hard and they were built up
>really tight. Not all that
>light that I remember, but really cool. The pair I had dented really
>easily. Rims really
>aren't a great application for Titanium since the ratio of stiffness,
>stength, and weight aren't better than aluminum in this
>application. Let's just say that if they were better than aluminum you'd
>see more Ti rims. Please let's not turn
>this into a technical argument. Anyway, these would be a good idea for a
>show bike, but I wouldn't put a lot of miles on them. With that said if
>the price doesn't go too high I may bid on them since I'm a real
>retro-techno-wheenie and things like this make me drool.
>enjoy,
>Brandon"monkeyman"Ives
>"Nobody can do everything, but if everybody did something everything would
>get done." Gil Scott-Heron
>
>On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Aldo Ross wrote:
>
> > Here's something I don't remember seeing before - Araya Titanium rims:
> >
> > http://ebay.com/
> >
> > Anyone have experience with these?
> >
> > Aldo Ross
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 3
>From: OROBOYZ@aol.com
>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:05:37 EDT
>Subject: Re: [CR]Rauler Frame
>To: rauler47@hotmail.com, Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
>In a message dated 4/23/2001 11:13:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>rauler47@hotmail.com writes:
>
><< a 1984 Rauler, with very fancy chromed lugs very
> unusual for an Italian frame, >>
>
>Mark stopped by cycles de ORO a few days ago and I got to see this bike and
>I
>frankly was surprised.. It outdoes a Colnago Arabesque!... in elaborate
>shapings of the lugs and details. Almost an "Italian HJetchins."
>I had seen Railers a bunch of years ago when someone in Arizona or New
>Mexico
>(?) was trying to import them but had never seen anything like this bike.
>That's great we will all get to see it at the Cirque.
>
>Dale Brown
>Greensboro, North Carolina
>
>
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>
>Message: 4
>From: "Moos, Jerry" <jmoos@urc.com>
>To: 'Brandon Ives' <monkey37@bluemarble.net>,
> Aldo Ross <swampmtn@siscom.net>
>Cc: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:25:43 -0400
>Subject: [CR]Bike Materials [was] Titanium rims on eBay
>
>Seems that at the time various companies were trying to trying to make just
>about every bike component from titanium. Some of them make sense, rims
>did
>not. I hesitate to mention engineering professors after the recent
>rotational inertia thread, but I remember one of my profs commenting that
>if
>steel were suddenly invented today, it would be hailed as a high-tech
>wonder
>material. Alloy steel really is pretty remarkable stuff, although aluminum
>and titanium have displaced steel in a lot of components in bikes and
>elsewhere since the 50's. Seems people always look for places to use the
>latest materials, with the sensible applications enduring and the others
>like titanium rims becoming collectors items. I think the ultimate dumb
>idea in materials for bikes, and therefore maybe the ultimate collectors
>item, would be the Original All-Plastic Bike someone tried to push in the
>70's. This was evidently mostly a scam to bilk investors, but someone on
>the list, I think maybe it was Sheldon, confirmed that at least one was
>made
>as he saw it up close at a bike trade show. It would be really neat to
>have
>that baby, though it was probably totally unrideable. BTW speaking of
>other
>materials replacing steel, how many old steel crankarms ever broke? I'll
>bet steel crank failures were a lot rarer than the alloy crank failures
>like
>the ones on the web site someone posted a link to. If steel were invented
>today, its manufacturers might try to lobby the CPSC to outlaw those
>"dangerous" alloy cranks in favor of "safe" steel ones.
>
>Regards,
>
>Jerry "former member of the United Steelworkers union (many years ago)"
>Moos
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Brandon Ives [mailto:monkey37@bluemarble.net]
>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 1:30 PM
>To: Aldo Ross
>Cc: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]Titanium rims on eBay
>
>
>I had a pair as wheels in @'91 and they were really soft. You could
>actually feel it while riding and cornering hard and they were built up
>really tight. Not all that
>light that I remember, but really cool. The pair I had dented really
>easily. Rims really
>aren't a great application for Titanium since the ratio of stiffness,
>stength, and weight aren't better than aluminum in this
>application. Let's just say that if they were better than aluminum you'd
>see more Ti rims. Please let's not turn
>this into a technical argument. Anyway, these would be a good idea for a
>show bike, but I wouldn't put a lot of miles on them. With that said if
>the price doesn't go too high I may bid on them since I'm a real
>retro-techno-wheenie and things like this make me drool.
>enjoy,
>Brandon"monkeyman"Ives
>"Nobody can do everything, but if everybody did something everything would
>get done." Gil Scott-Heron
>
>On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Aldo Ross wrote:
>
> > Here's something I don't remember seeing before - Araya Titanium rims:
> >
> > http://ebay.com/
> >
> > Anyone have experience with these?
> >
> > Aldo Ross
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>
>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:50:34 -0500 (EST)
>From: Brandon Ives <monkey37@bluemarble.net>
>To: "Moos, Jerry" <jmoos@urc.com>
>Cc: Aldo Ross <swampmtn@siscom.net>, Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]Re: Bike Materials [was] Titanium rims on eBay
>
>Bamboo is the wonder material of the next decade, and last century. If
>you've read William Gibson "Virtual Light" there's a lot of talk about
>paper bikes, yea it maybe a cyberpunk novel but I've heard of someone
>actually building one back in '72 or so. Speaking of steel cranks I'm a
>big fan of Bullseyes since I've never found anything stiffer and they've
>hardly changed since their inception in around '78, plus they're
>actually pretty light. My current Bullseyes
>on my Lotus fixed were from this time period and though they were covered
>in rust when I found them, a good sandblasting and repaint and they're
>good
>as new. Smart design is where you find it.
>
>enjoy,
>Brandon"monkeyman"Ives
>
>"Nobody can do everything, but if everybody did something everything would
>get done." Gil Scott-Heron
>
>On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Moos, Jerry wrote:
>
> > Seems that at the time various companies were trying to trying to make
>just
> > about every bike component from titanium. Some of them make sense, rims
>did
> > not. I hesitate to mention engineering professors after the recent
> > rotational inertia thread, but I remember one of my profs commenting
>that if
> > steel were suddenly invented today, it would be hailed as a high-tech
>wonder
> > material. Alloy steel really is pretty remarkable stuff, although
>aluminum
> > and titanium have displaced steel in a lot of components in bikes and
> > elsewhere since the 50's. Seems people always look for places to use
>the
> > latest materials, with the sensible applications enduring and the others
> > like titanium rims becoming collectors items. I think the ultimate dumb
> > idea in materials for bikes, and therefore maybe the ultimate collectors
> > item, would be the Original All-Plastic Bike someone tried to push in
>the
> > 70's. This was evidently mostly a scam to bilk investors, but someone
>on
> > the list, I think maybe it was Sheldon, confirmed that at least one was
>made
> > as he saw it up close at a bike trade show. It would be really neat to
>have
> > that baby, though it was probably totally unrideable. BTW speaking of
>other
> > materials replacing steel, how many old steel crankarms ever broke?
>I'll
> > bet steel crank failures were a lot rarer than the alloy crank failures
>like
> > the ones on the web site someone posted a link to. If steel were
>invented
> > today, its manufacturers might try to lobby the CPSC to outlaw those
> > "dangerous" alloy cranks in favor of "safe" steel ones.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jerry "former member of the United Steelworkers union (many years ago)"
>Moos
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brandon Ives [mailto:monkey37@bluemarble.net]
> > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 1:30 PM
> > To: Aldo Ross
> > Cc: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: Re: [CR]Titanium rims on eBay
> >
> >
> > I had a pair as wheels in @'91 and they were really soft. You could
> > actually feel it while riding and cornering hard and they were built up
> > really tight. Not all that
> > light that I remember, but really cool. The pair I had dented really
> > easily. Rims really
> > aren't a great application for Titanium since the ratio of stiffness,
> > stength, and weight aren't better than aluminum in this
> > application. Let's just say that if they were better than aluminum
>you'd
> > see more Ti rims. Please let's not turn
> > this into a technical argument. Anyway, these would be a good idea for
>a
> > show bike, but I wouldn't put a lot of miles on them. With that said if
> > the price doesn't go too high I may bid on them since I'm a real
> > retro-techno-wheenie and things like this make me drool.
> > enjoy,
> > Brandon"monkeyman"Ives
> > "Nobody can do everything, but if everybody did something everything
>would
> > get done." Gil Scott-Heron
> >
> > On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Aldo Ross wrote:
> >
> > > Here's something I don't remember seeing before - Araya Titanium rims:
> > >
> > > http://ebay.com/
> > >
> > > Anyone have experience with these?
> > >
> > > Aldo Ross
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
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