A lady that sits next to me a work, (Sue) was moving. She had a frame that her nephew brought out from the East Coast some 20 odd years ago. The nephew ran off with young lady up to Alaska. Sue hand carried the frame into work and gave it to me, and by chance it happen to fit me to a tee. A Holdsworth, 52cc with 55tt, long point window lugs, plenty of file marks, with Campy track drop outs....The only thing I can speculate on is that the woman from Alaska must of been a real looker.
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> 1. RE: Anybody Heard of the Stella Arctic? (Moos, Jerry)
> 2. Rear Wheel (Donald A Walter)
> 3. Results of Abandoned Classics Survey (longish) (Paulie Davis)
> 4. needed Universal 61 Brake hangers (brian blum)
> 5. parts for sale (Clive Rodell)
> 6. BSA "Golden Century" 10-Speed Bicycle (eBay) (Craig Sandvik)
> 7. Was: Stella Arctic? Now: Lejeune (mcwilkin)
> 8. Re: Anybody Heard of the Stella Arctic? (Sheldon Brown)
> 9. Re: Anybody Heard of the Stella Arctic? (Steven L. Sheffield)
> 10. Re: needed Universal 61 Brake hangers (Chuck Schmidt)
> 11. Sources of Information on Vintage Track Bikes... (Scott Goldstein)
> 12. South African made bikes (Ron Thompson)
> 13. Eccentric 90 degree PMP Cranks (GRIFFKS@aol.com)
> 14. RE: Anybody Heard of the Stella Arctic? (Moos, Jerry)
> 15. Re: Eccentric 90 degree PMP Cranks (Joseph Bender-Zanoni)
> 16. Re: Dueling Banjos/Quotes (Richard M Sachs)
> 17. RE: Anybody Heard of the Stella Arctic? (Fred Rafael Rednor)
> 18. RE: Was: Stella Arctic? Now: Lejeune (Moos, Jerry)
> 19. galli vs Campy (Aldo Ross)
> 20. Re: galli vs Campy (bikenut)
> 21. Re: galli vs Campy (youngc@netreach.net)
> 22. RE: galli vs Campy (Moos, Jerry)
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 1
> From: "Moos, Jerry" <jmoos@urc.com>
> To: 'Diane Feldman' <feldmanbike@home.com>, fred_rednor@yahoo.com,
> RALEIGH531@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: RE: [CR]Anybody Heard of the Stella Arctic?
> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 16:53:59 -0400
>
> Actually, the story I heard from a guy at the Texas (Houston, specifically)
> shop was that this guy's brother-in-law, a South African who had raced in
> Europe, had bought the rights to the LeJeune name and set up production in
> South Africa. The ones I saw in the shop a couple of years ago were 853 I
> believe. The frame quality was OK except the paint was terrible - it was
> peeling in spots on new frames on the shop floor.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diane Feldman [mailto:feldmanbike@home.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 1:10 PM
> To: fred_rednor@yahoo.com; RALEIGH531@aol.com;
> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Anybody Heard of the Stella Arctic?
>
>
> Maybe the question has gone through the group before, but what legal issues
> would somebody trip over if naming a new line of frames/bikes after a
> defunct one? I have heard, for instance, that a Texas bike store has sold
> some reportedly very good 753 frames made in South Africa and labeled
> Lejeune. This obviously doesn't include frames like Jonathan Boyer's>
> Confentes or George Mount's Merz--or those made-in-Nevada Gitanes that some
> other guy rode.
> David Feldman
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred Rafael Rednor" <fred_rednor@yahoo.com>
> To: <RALEIGH531@aol.com>; <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 10:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [CR]Anybody Heard of the Stella Arctic?
>
>
> > > To protect the guilty? Preserve the rep of the quality
> > > nameplates? They knew they were sending less than their
> > > best effort and didn't want a bunch of gaspipe bikes > >
> > running(or sitting) around with "good" names on them.
> >
> > Also, there were a number of cases where the importer used a
> > name of its own choosing to create its own brand - Mel Pinto
> > for example, who's own bikes looked suspiciously like mid-level
> > LeJeunes. In fact, someone like LeJeune probably did not even
> > make its own frames, even if the painting was done in-house.
> > Many bikes may have been shipped here by pseudo-manufacturers
> > who were merely assemblers of frames made by larger concerns.
> > Fred
> >
> >
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> Message: 2
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 14:54:51 -0800
> From: Donald A Walter <donrazr@juno.com>
> Subject: [CR]Rear Wheel
>
> Does anybody have a reasonably round and true 700C clincher rear wheel
> with 126mm rear spacing that they are not interested in and would be
> willing to part with for a reasonable sum? Classic era preferred, but
> high end not preferred. (Araya and Sansin would be fine).
> Also, when did Mavic change from the red label with diamond logo to the
> yellow and green label on their rims? Was this change concurrent with a
> change in leadership/ownership?
> Thanks in advance. Don W. Tucson, AZ
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 15:51:45 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Paulie Davis <paulieflt@yahoo.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Results of Abandoned Classics Survey (longish)
>
> Herewith 7 wonderful stories of *free* finds, or
> bikes that got away.
>
> Paulie Davis in Foggy Los Angeles
>
> BEST INTERNATIONAL ENTRY --
> Hilary Stone writes:
> My star of all time was an Olmo found in Florence
> 15 years ago chained up and abandoned and fitted
> with the Campagnolo original gear. It is what the
> Italians called a tourer with flat bars,
> brazed-on brake levers, a half chaincase and
> sprung saddle. The hubs are FB, the cranks
> stamped Olmo, the stem has the expander bolt
> concealed by an Olmo badge fitted with screws and
> of course the fabulous Campag gear with two
> levers and the wheel moving backwards and
> forwards to take up the chain tension. I
> succumbed to temptation. The rims were
> delaminating on their top surface at the bottom
> of the wheel where water had collected in the
> same spot obviously for many years and the tyres
> were completely flat. It has been ridden quite a
> bit since - once new tubes, saddle and pedals
> were fitted. It is a right bitch when the chain
> comes off the chainwheel which it does if you are
> slightly careless changing gear.
>
> *GOOD THINGS DO HAPPEN IN LOS ANGELES* AWARD --
> Duane Kennard:
> The best freebies I've found were a '80 Raleigh
> 753 Team Pro frame that was completely stripped
> of parts, & had no fork, and a 1960 something
> Bertin (all Nervex pro lugs/531) frame, also
> completely stripped, and no fork. I found both of>
> them in North Hollywood, along a busy street, and
> both sticking out of a trash can; same location
> for each, but about a year apart! I found 'em
> about ten years ago, and recognized the Raleigh
> from twenty yards away; always wanted one. I'm
> trying to get a "proper" fork made for the
> Raleigh made now. I'll do the Bertin someday.
> While not a bike, I also found a PILE of cool
> parts BEHIND COSTCO in Sun Valley! (on my
> birthday too!! NO LIE!) In the pile was some
> junk; BMX stuff, rusted steel cranks, cheap
> forks, etc., but there was also a pre-dated
> ('68-'72?) Campagnolo NR crank with rings! It
> looks like it had never been used, though it does
> have some scratches & small dings. Unfortunately,
> it was the right side only; still lookin' for the
> left....
>
> DOUBLE WINNER: THE VERY NOVEL *HOW TO GET A 2ND
> BIKE HOME* AND *ACCIDENTALLY WON AN AWARD* AWARDS
> Skip Echert:
> While out for a ride, at the side of the road I
> noticed a road bike leaning against the chain
> link fence of a school. It had a large "FREE"
> sign hanging from the top tube. As I passed, I
> saw that it was an old, well-worn Gitane, replete
> with years of dust and grime. I assumed it to be
> a standard low-end bike boom bike; however, a
> bike that, in the early seventies, I would have
> loved to own, if only I had the 110 dollars. I
> passed it by. However, the FREE sign beckoned and
> I returned to have a closer look - what story did
> it have to tell? Expecting to see "Racer" on the
> Mafac calipers, I was surprised to see "Dural
> Forge" - Hmmm. The EXCELTOO "Competition"
> aluminum hubs told me not bottom of the line. The
> front derailleur had been replaced with a Suntour
> Compe V. From this, in my best Holmes emulation,
> I deduced the bike had been ridden, but not by a
> Francophile. The rear derailleur had also been
> replaced, but with an OLD Campy Record (PAY
> DIRT!). This French veteran had a new home. How
> to get it home? I was sure it would be taken by
> the time I returned with the van. In the
> mid-fifties in England, where and when bike
> commuting was the norm, I recalled seeing people
> riding one bike and steering another alongside.
> Heck, what did I have to lose but large patches
> of skin and paint? I reached home with bikes and
> body intact, my drunkard-like weaving providing
> amusement for the locals along the way. After
> hours of labor, it looked cleaner and worked
> better, but still retained "old" and "worn". (I
> believe it to be merely an Interclub from the
> 60's, but it has no model markings to confirm
> this.) For its maiden voyage, I took it to
> Seattle's Bicycle Sunday, wanting to see the
> display of old bikes. As I rode up to look, I was
> handed a bike stand and was told to put it with
> the other antiques. The old Gitane was awarded
> second place, runner up to a Campy Corsa-equiped
> beauty -- whose skilled owner, years younger than
> the bike, made the shifting look easy - but
> that's another story.
>
> *THE ONE THAT GOT AWAY* AWARD
> David Feldman:
> Seen while riding my own bike, in the rear hopper
> of a garbage truck: Black and gold paneled frame,
> Nervex lugs, Superbe Pro or Gran Compe brake
> calipers, flat bars with touring levers. I
> couldn't catch the truck a second time to get a
> better look.
>
> THE *DIDN'T DARE WAIT FOR THE POST-GARAGE SALE
> TRASH CAN* AWARD
> Lou Deeter:
> Found a nice Super Record equipped Pinarello in a
> garage sale in Alabama--saw it when I cycled
> by---did a U-turn, cut the price deal, then raced
> home for the moolah before he figured out what he
> had!!
>
> THE *DOES A TRADE COUNT AS FREE?* AWARD
> Harvey Sachs:
> Well, about 1974 two of us spotted a prewar
> Paramount fixed-gear at a filling station in
> Oregon. Traded a used Schwinn continental for it,
> so not quite a freebie... Later, got an 1896>
> Davis Sewing Machines of Dayton triplet,
> 23x23x23, 1-1/4 tubes> , all lugged, cotterless
> cranks, at a garage sale in upstate NY. Mel
> Kornbluh spotted it, but I bought it for an
> appropriate garage sale price. Was missing a
> bunch of parts.
>
> and last but not least --
>
> THE *SURREPTITIOUS CAR CRAMMING* AWARD
> Rod Kronenberg:
> Last year at a LBS that takes trade-ins, I found
> a couple of bikes in their scrap pile. I know the
> guys at the shop a little bit because I deal with
> them fairly often. Usually, it's been to leave my
> thrift store finds there on consignment. Anyway,
> on this day I asked if I could take a couple of
> bikes out of their scrap heap. They said have at
> it! First, I had seen a root beer brown
> Motobecane Grand Record. While the paint was very
> faded, it was complete and original. Although I
> sold the bike because it was too small for me, I
> kept the Brooks Pro seat and use it daily.
> Second, I spied a very orange bike with chrome
> lugs and Campy N.R. stuff on it. After digging it
> out from under a pile of bikes, I discovered an
> almost mint Windsor Pro! It was complete less the
> wheelset. FULL Campy N.R. except for the
> Universal brakes. I truly believe the only
> scratches on this bike were made by me in trying
> to dig it out. I was trying not to be too
> conspicuous because the store's employees were
> around. Not believing my good fortune at one stop
> in one day, I happily loaded the bikes into my
> car. Despite my efforts to keep this low-key, two
> of the shop's employees wound up laughing
> hysterically at me trying to stuff these bikes
> into my Honda Civic.
>
>
> ++++Anybody else? I could do a second
> installment...
>
>
> PaulieFlt@yahoo.com
>
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> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> From: "brian blum" <brianblum@hotmail.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 23:08:43
> Subject: [CR]needed Universal 61 Brake hangers
>
>
> Is there a special rear hanger for the Cinelli SC? I need front and back brake hangers.
> ------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 5
> From: "Clive Rodell" <cqt@intercoast.com.au>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 09:40:21 +1000
> Subject: [CR]parts for sale
>
> Hi guys,
>
> Jerry was right if you didn't see my last post the SR rings do not fit =
> the Zeus cranks by the tiniest of margins.
>
> I have for sale the following:-
> All items + postage and NOS unless stated otherwise.
>
> 47 Zeus road rings $25.00
> 36 (triple??) $30.00
>
> Pista rings all at $25.00=20
> 54 non drilled
> 53 non drilled
> 53 early
> 52 drilled
> 52 non drilled
> 52 'early'
> 51 drilled
> 51 non drilled
>
> Zeus 172.5 double fluted LH road crank $35.00
>
> Zeus RH cranks the low profile type $35.00
> 165
> 170
> 172.5
> 175
>
> Lots of stems s/h including GB mostly @ $25.00
>
> s/h Airlight 40/40 Tandem wheels from Claude Butler Tandem ( I think the =
> Tandem is still for sale but it was out of my price range) $220.00 for =
> the pair hubs in excellent condition
>
> Many s/h Mafac callipers @ $12.50 each
>
> Sugino Px RH 170 $10.00
>
> SR n/rec type track rings 54,53 and 52
>
> SR RH road cranks 165 $25.00
>
> Pro Dynamic 5 pin 165 (I have 2 pairs) $40.00 (look like 49d)
>
> Raleigh steel 3 pin chainrings 52 $25.00
>
> Dura Ace H/bar con complete in box $50.00
>
> Suntour bar con $35.00
>
> Triplex alloy dt levers pr $30.00
>
> Galli dt levers on Zeus dt clip $30.00 NOS
> Galli rear gear chunky NR type $60.00 SH
> Galli anodised brake levers SH good cond $25.00
>
> Suntour dt levers blue or black cut out slots NOS $25.00>
>
> Shimano 600 fancy black inlay dt levers $25.00 NOS
>
> Bell Australian leather saddle (wide saddle not your swallow!) NOS =
> $30.00
> I also have some other leather saddles to sort out.
>
> Regards Clive In Oz
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 19:00:04 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Craig Sandvik <distracticon@yahoo.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]BSA "Golden Century" 10-Speed Bicycle (eBay)
>
> When was BSA's 100th anniversary?
>
> See
> http://ebay.com/
>
> Is there any relation to "1962 model Golden 50"
> as pictured here:
> http://www.classicrendezvous.com/
>
> No connection to the eBay seller. Some emotional
> connection to BSA and other old british brands ...
>
> --
> Craig Sandvik
> Berkeley, CA
>
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> --__--__--
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 12:46:36 -0600
> From: mcwilkin <mcwilkin@twcable.com>
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Was: Stella Arctic? Now: Lejeune
>
> fred_rednor@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > In fact, someone like LeJeune probably did not even make its ownframes
> > even if the painting was done in-house.
>
> Hi all-
>
> I have finally convinced a co-worker to let me take a look at a Lejeune
> from the early 70s that he rode a 'little bit' and then stored for the
> past 25 years or so.
>
> When I take a look at this what should I look for. The color is green
> instead of blood red. That is about all I know at this point and am not
> sure about tubing or components, etc.
>
> What would be a fair offer if I make one depending on condition, etc...
>
> Mike Wilkinson
> Parker, CO
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 23:16:41 -0400
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> From: Sheldon Brown <CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Anybody Heard of the Stella Arctic?
>
> There's a quite good Belgian beer called "Stella Artois" which means
> the same thing (North Star) in Latin/French.
>
> Sheldon "Actually The Phrase 'Quite Good Belgian Beer' Is A Redundancy" Brown
> Newtonville, Massachusetts
> +---------------------------------------------+
> | I am not young enough to know everything. |
> | -- Oscar Wilde |
> +---------------------------------------------+
> Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
> Phone 617-244-9772, 617-244-1040, FAX 617-244-1041
> http://harriscyclery.com
> Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
> http://captainbike.com
> Useful articles about bicycles and cycling
> http://sheldonbrown.com
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 20:54:55 -0700
> Subject: Re: [CR]Anybody Heard of the Stella Arctic?
> From: "Steven L. Sheffield" <stevens@veloworks.com>
> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>
>
>
> Stella Artois is the Budweiser of Belgium ...
>
> I much preferred Maes Pils, Cantillon Lambics (especially the Framboise),
> and Rodenbach Grand Cru.
>
> Steven L. "Driesbos Straat 98, B-1640 Sint Genesius Rode (1983-84)"
> Sheffield
>
>
> --
>
> Steven L. Sheffield
> stevens at veloworks dot com
> veloworks at earthlink dot net
> aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
> double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash
>
>
>
> > From: Sheldon Brown <CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com>
> > Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 23:16:41 -0400
> > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: Re: [CR]Anybody Heard of the Stella Arctic?
> >
> > There's a quite good Belgian beer called "Stella Artois" which means>
> > the same thing (North Star) in Latin/French.
> >
> > Sheldon "Actually The Phrase 'Quite Good Belgian Beer' Is A Redundancy" Brown
> > Newtonville, Massachusetts
> > +---------------------------------------------+
> > | I am not young enough to know everything. |
> > | -- Oscar Wilde |
> > +---------------------------------------------+
> > Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
> > Phone 617-244-9772, 617-244-1040, FAX 617-244-1041
> > http://harriscyclery.com
> > Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
> > http://captainbike.com
> > Useful articles about bicycles and cycling
> > http://sheldonbrown.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 21:16:46 -0800
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net
> To: brian blum <brianblum@hotmail.com>
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]needed Universal 61 Brake hangers
>
> brian blum wrote:
> >
> > Is there a special rear hanger for the Cinelli SC? I need front and back brake hangers.
>
>
> I don't know what " " stands for, but yes, the Cinelli SC takes a
> special thinner, pressed sheet metal version of the normal Universal 61
> (centerpull) rear hanger and uses more offset because of the
> Cinelli-style seat stays (wider spaced stays with longer than normal
> seat bolt requires more offset).
>
> I've seen this special rear hanger on Cinelli SC but I have never come
> across one seperately. My solution for my 1960 SC was to go with the
> sidepull Universal 51 instead.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, California
> http://www.velo-retro.com (Campy Timeline, Reprints, & T-shirts)
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 21:46:11 -0700
> To: "classicrendezvous-bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> From: Scott Goldstein <sgpnet@earthlink.net>
> Subject: [CR]Sources of Information on Vintage Track Bikes...
>
> First of all, a note of thanks again for all the people on the CR list who
> have volunteered their spare parts and/or advise on my hoped for purchase
> of the Drysdale track bike.
>
> A lot of material is available about the various vintage brands of road
> bikes with a footnote here and there about a single track model, So, I'd
> like to learn more track bikes, and obviously Drysdales in particular.
>
>
> Any books, articles, web sites, old postings that would help?
>
> cheers
>
>
> scorr
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 07:34:15 +0200
> From: Ron Thompson <ron@motive.co.za>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Organization: Motive Force
> Subject: [CR]South African made bikes
>
> Lejeune and Peugeot were made in S.A. under license
> and at one stage even direct or partial ownership
>
> I am surprised to learn that presumably new frames were sold in Texas.
> because the upmarket models were never, to my knowledge,
> available in large quantities.
>
> Francois du Toit (ex-LeJeune) and Gottie Hansen (ex-Peugeot and Zini)
> still make custom bikes, the former in Cape Town under his own name,
> the latter under the Hansom name.
>
> As a matter of interest names of bikes often mean little
> since the Big Names, as often as not,had their personal bikes
> built by someone they knew
>
> When you know the builder, I believe you get a better bike.
>
> The best bikes in my collection were built by Bill Lange
> who learned his trade in the states in the 80's
> where ,he said, all the very best custom bikes were made
> because people could afford to pay what it took to build to that standard.
>
> "the Prophet is seldom honoured in his own land">
>
> Ron Thompson
> Cyc-Ous
> South Africa.
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 13
> From: GRIFFKS@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 06:03:27 EDT
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Eccentric 90 degree PMP Cranks
>
> ...........at a local cycle jumble I picked up a set of Italian PMP alloy
> cotterless cranks(new and boxed) that were, I believe, made for a short while
> in the early 80's. they seem well made and accept Nuovo Record or similar
> style rings.
> Have any list members ever owned or tried these unique right angled
> cranks, if so is there any noticeable difference in pedalling or is it just
> design for design sake? I can supply photos if required though Dale has some
> info. on the CR website linked from the "Rarest of Rare" category.
> Finally, are these oddities currently sought after or do they simply remain
> on the back shelf "bought for their novelty value" for another twenty years?
> regards
> Griff King-Spooner (London UK)
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 14
> From: "Moos, Jerry" <jmoos@urc.com>
> To: 'Sheldon Brown' <CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com>,
> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: RE: [CR]Anybody Heard of the Stella Arctic?
> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 08:14:18 -0400
>
> While "quite good French beer" is an oxymoron.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry "prefer English ale or German Weisen" Moos
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sheldon Brown [mailto:CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 11:17 PM
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Anybody Heard of the Stella Arctic?
>
>
> There's a quite good Belgian beer called "Stella Artois" which means
> the same thing (North Star) in Latin/French.
>
> Sheldon "Actually The Phrase 'Quite Good Belgian Beer' Is A Redundancy"
> Brown
> Newtonville, Massachusetts
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> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 08:19:12 -0700
> To: GRIFFKS@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> From: Joseph Bender-Zanoni <jfbender@umich.edu>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Eccentric 90 degree PMP Cranks
>
> From a mechanical engineering viewpoint, how you get from point A (the BB
> spindle) to point B (the pedal) of a lever makes no difference other than
> inducing complex internal load paths in the cranks. This bent crank idea is
> old however. The same idea showed up in a catalog from the 1930's or so
> that Leonard Bulger showed me. Old cast iron machinery, like a hand
> grinder, often has curved cranks, but I believe that was to reduce casting
> stresses somehow.
>
> Joe
> Ann Arbor (temperate rainforest), MI
>
>
>
> At 06:03 AM 6/6/01 EDT, GRIFFKS@aol.com wrote:
> >...........at a local cycle jumble I picked up a set of Italian PMP alloy
> >cotterless cranks(new and boxed) that were, I believe, made for a short
> while
> >in the early 80's. they seem well made and accept Nuovo Record or similar
> >style rings.
> > Have any list members ever owned or tried these unique right
> angled
> >cranks, if so is there any noticeable difference in pedalling or is it just
> >design for design sake? I can supply photos if required though Dale has
> some
> >info. on the CR website linke> d from the "Rarest of Rare" category.
> >Finally, are these oddities currently sought after or do they simply remain
> >on the back shelf "bought for their novelty value" for another twenty years?
> >regards
> >Griff King-Spooner (London UK)
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >
>
>
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> Message: 16
> To: ron@motive.co.za
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 08:29:22 -0400
> Subject: Re: [CR]Dueling Banjos/Quotes
> From: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com>
>
> "To surpass your master is to repay the debt"
> fr. Living Treasures of Japan
> e-RICHIE
> http://www.richardsachs.com
>
> replying to:
>
> On Wed, 06 Jun 2001 07:34:15 +0200 Ron Thompson <ron@motive.co.za>
> writes:
> The best bikes in my collection were built by Bill Lange who learned
> his trade in the states in the 80's where ,he said, all the very best
> custom
> bikes were made because people could afford to pay what it took to build
> to that standard.
> "the Prophet is seldom honoured in his own land"
> Ron Thompson
> Cyc-Ous
> South Africa.
>
>
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>
> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 05:31:59 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Fred Rafael Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: fred_rednor@yahoo.com
> Subject: RE: [CR]Anybody Heard of the Stella Arctic?
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> > While "quite good French beer" is an oxymoron.
> By the way, there is actual Classic Cycling content here!
> (Must appease the gods.) I believe that Stella Artois was
> a sponsor of a successful cycling team during the '70s.
> I'll have to break out my copy of "Sunday In Hell" and study
> the jerseys...
> Fred "sorry but I prefer wine" Rafael Rednor
>
>
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> Message: 18
> From: "Moos, Jerry" <jmoos@urc.com>
> To: 'mcwilkin' <mcwilkin@twcable.com>
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: RE: [CR]Was: Stella Arctic? Now: Lejeune
> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 08:40:54 -0400
>
> My 1973 LeJeune 70-F is probably typical of the high-end French equipped
> LeJeunes of the era. Details included 531DB throughout, fancy Nervex Pro
> lugs, half chromed forks and stays, Simplex pro quality forged dropouts,
> cable stops under the TT (instead of cable guides on top or clampon clips),
> brazeon chainstay cable stop, brazeon rear centerpull brake hanger, and a
> little loop brazed on the seatstay above the DO as a derailleur cable guide.
> Original equipment was top models from Stronglight, Simplex, Normandy,
> Lyotard, Mafac. LeJeune also made an all-Campy model in this era. This was
> more "Italian" style, with less chrome, possibly single-point lugs, Campy
> dropouts, all Campy NR. Probably lacked the brazeon rear brake hanger, which
> was redundant when using Campy SP brakes. My rule of thumb is that a high
> end French bike in very good condition (not including marques like Herse and
> Singer, of course) should probably go for $350 to $450, maybe $500 if really
> mint. For more than that, it really needs some special provenance or really
> special components. Of course, another list member just picked up a top end
> Motobecane for $40 at a garage sale, but I'm talking about a situation where
> the seller knows what he has.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcwilkin [mailto:mcwilkin@twcable.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 2:47 PM
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Was: Stella Arctic? Now: Lejeune
>
>
> fred_rednor@yahoo.com wrote:>
>
> >> In fact, someone like LeJeune probably did not even make its ownframes
> > even if the painting was done in-house.
>
> Hi all-
>
> I have finally convinced a co-worker to let me take a look at a Lejeune
> from the early 70s that he rode a 'little bit' and then stored for the
> past 25 years or so.
>
> When I take a look at this what should I look for. The color is green
> instead of blood red. That is about all I know at this point and am not
> sure about tubing or components, etc.
>
> What would be a fair offer if I make one depending on condition, etc...
>
> Mike Wilkinson
> Parker, CO
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
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>
> Message: 19
> From: "Aldo Ross" <swampmtn@siscom.net>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 09:43:23 -0400
> Subject: [CR]galli vs Campy
>
> Was this Galli r der really made by Campagnolo?
>
> http://ebay.com/
>
> Aldo Ross
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 20
> From: "bikenut" <bikenut@gte.net>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]galli vs Campy
> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 07:08:12 -0700
>
> Re: Galli
> I thought they were made by Simplex even though it does
> bear a similarity to Campagnolo. I have one in mint cond
> and the jockey wheels are Simplex.
> Cheers,
> Matthew Gorski
> Belmont Shore, CA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Aldo Ross <swampmtn@siscom.net>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 6:43 AM
> Subject: [CR]galli vs Campy
>
>
> Was this Galli r der really made by Campagnolo?
>
> http://ebay.com/
>
> Aldo Ross
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 21
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> From: youngc@netreach.net
> Subject: Re: [CR]galli vs Campy
> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 10:19:27 US/Eastern
>
> I have a (much) less than mint green ano one at home. I'll check the jockey
> wheels tonight to see if they are Simplex. That might lend weight of evidence
> to Simplex as the fabricator. Are there many cases of Campagnolo fabbing for
> other Italian entities? I thought it was more in the other direction.
>
> Charlie Young
> Honeybrook, PA
>
> > Re: Galli
> > I thought they were made by Simplex even though it does
> > bear a similarity to Campagnolo. I have one in mint cond
> > and the jockey wheels are Simplex.
> > Cheers,
> > Matthew Gorski
> > Belmont Shore, CA
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Aldo Ross <swampmtn@siscom.net>
> > To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 6:43 AM
> > Subject: [CR]galli vs Campy
> >
> >
> > Was this Galli r der really made by Campagnolo?
> >
> > http://ebay.com/
> >
> > Aldo Ross
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 22>
> From: "Moos, Jerry" <jmoos@urc.com>
> To: "'youngc@netreach.net'" <youngc@netreach.net>,
> Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: RE: [CR]galli vs Campy
> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 10:32:57 -0400
>
> Personally, I don't think this derailluer was made by either Campy or
> Simplex. I've always assumed Galli was the actual manufacturer. This
> derailleur bears no resemblance to any Simplex model I have ever seen.
> There were definitely Simplex gruppos rebadged as Gippieme, and they may
> have been rebadged as Galli as well, but the rebadged Gippiemes I have seen
> are VERY obvious. The Gippieme-badged Simplex SLJ6600 on my circa 1975
> Allegro is stamped with the Simplex logo and even with the Simplex model
> number - all they did was replace the metal "Simplex" nameplate with a
> "Gippieme" one. To paraphrase Freud, sometimes a Galli is just a Galli.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: youngc@netreach.net [mailto:youngc@netreach.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 6:19 AM
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]galli vs Campy
>
>
> I have a (much) less than mint green ano one at home. I'll check the jockey
> wheels tonight to see if they are Simplex. That might lend weight of
> evidence
> to Simplex as the fabricator. Are there many cases of Campagnolo fabbing for
>
> other Italian entities? I thought it was more in the other direction.
>
> Charlie Young
> Honeybrook, PA
>
> > Re: Galli
> > I thought they were made by Simplex even though it does
> > bear a similarity to Campagnolo. I have one in mint cond
> > and the jockey wheels are Simplex.
> > Cheers,
> > Matthew Gorski
> > Belmont Shore, CA
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Aldo Ross <swampmtn@siscom.net>
> > To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 6:43 AM
> > Subject: [CR]galli vs Campy
> >
> >
> > Was this Galli r der really made by Campagnolo?
> >
> > http://ebay.com/
> >
> > Aldo Ross
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
>
>
>
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