Chris,
Cool website.
If you would like, use the pics. of my Carlton - a 1961
California Clubman, with campy gran sport. My absolute
favorite ride!! Have a look -
http://web.raex.com/
Steve
Way hot and muggy Canton, Ohio.
> This is just to let those of you who are interested, that I've set up a
> website for my bike (okay bikes) at:
>
> http://www.appleonline.net/
>
> Thanks to Dale, Gareth and Nelson who donated their photos/pictures. A
> special thanks also to Amaki Akihiko, who a lot of you may know as the
> (in)famous 'Kauzo' on eBay.
>
> He outbid me on a Carlton catalogue recently, and when I e-mailed him, he
> promptly offered to photocopy and send it for free, and within
half-an-hour
> had also sent the twelve pictures of his bike that are on the website. He
is
> certainly as passionate about his bike(s) as most of you are on this list,
> and is definitely more passionate than me. I daresay that if I didn't
> already spend so much money on beer, golf, cars etc. I would pay above the
> going rate for that otherwise unobtainable item to feed my addiction...
>
> Anyway; additions (in the form of photos/info), comments, corrections and
> insults will all be welcomed, I would like to make a history page and a
> model time-line. I also hope to be re-finishing the frame soon, and
scanning
> in the catalogue when I receive it, so watch this space.
>
> Regards
> Chris
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org
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> > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 2:22 PM
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> > CR
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. Track bars (Donald A Walter)
> > 2. [Fwd: [CR]Track bars - where found and what size]
> > (questor@cinci.rr.com)
> > 3. Re: Bruce Gordon (Kenneth Wallace)
> > 4. Speaking of Legnano's.. (Jim Hultman)
> > 5. Re: [Fwd: [CR]Track bars - where found and what size]
> > (Philcycles@aol.com)
> > 6. Re: Little known builders (DMart84815@aol.com)
> > 7. Re: Little known builders; Sam Braxton (Monkeyman)
> > 8. Re: Re: Campag track hub warranty issue (Huemax@aol.com)
> > 9. Re: [Fwd: [CR]Track bars - where found and what size] (Monkeyman)
> > 10. RE: Re: Campag track hub warranty issue (Mark Petry)
> > 11. Re: [Fwd: [CR]Track bars , hubs, thier strength (Huemax@aol.com)
> > 12. RE: Little known builders; Sam Braxton (Mark Bulgier)
> > 13. Re: Re: French diameter FD & Peugeot opinions solicited (David
> > Benson)
> > 14. Re: coppi photo (David Benson)
> > 15. Shipping wheels, was Re: [CR]Rear Wheel (Harvey M Sachs)
> > 16. Re: Shipping wheels, was Re: [CR]Rear Wheel (Bob Reid)
> > 17. RE: [Fwd: [CR]Track bars , hubs, thier strength (Moos, Jerry)
> > 18. RE: [Fwd: [CR]Track bars - where found and what size] (Moos,
Jerry)
> > 19. eBay Raleigh Spotting (THOMAS ADAMS)
> > 20. Geminiani (Clive's Quality Training)
> > 21. RE: Speaking of Legnano's.. (Moos, Jerry)
> > 22. Re: eBay Raleigh Spotting (THOMAS ADAMS)
> > 23. RE: Re: French diameter FD & Peugeot opinions solicited (Moos,
> > Jerry)
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 1
> > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:24:07 -0800
> > From: Donald A Walter <donrazr@juno.com>
> > Subject: [CR]Track bars
> >
> > Where can one get track bars of modern manufacture with classic track
> > configuration? Thank you for the help.
> > Don Walter
> > Tucson, AZ
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:46:44 -0400
> > From: questor@cinci.rr.com
> > Reply-To: questor@cinci.rr.com
> > To: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Subject: [Fwd: [CR]Track bars - where found and what size]
> >
> > You probably are refering to Cinelli Pista curved (no brake handle) bars
> > used in track or criterium races. Raddoneur bars are used for mostly
> > road races or criteriums and allow brake handles to be mounted. These
> > can be found on ebay for $30 to $80, depending on the season and style.
> > Track bars can be found in two main types: steel (more strength and
> > durable) or alloy (less weight).
> >
> > However, ***you should know in advance what width size bars you need
> > (e.g. 58cm, 60cm, 62cm, or 64cm) and what diameter size stem you
> > currently have***. Nitto and Cinelli Pista bars are uniquely different
> > diameter sizes!
> >
> > Regards, Steve
> >
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 3
> > From: "Kenneth Wallace" <kwallace62@home.com>
> > To: <jet@sciti.com>
> > Cc: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Subject: Re: [CR]Bruce Gordon
> > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:37:40 -0700
> >
> > This guy wasn't BG. It was the shorter swarthy guy who hung with him.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeanette Bell" <jet@sciti.com>
> > To: "Kenneth Wallace" <kwallace62@home.com>
> > Cc: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 12:43 AM
> > Subject: Re: [CR]Bruce Gordon
> >
> >
> > > Ken,
> > > The guy you talked to sounds a lot like BG hisself. One of his
favorite
> > > pastimes at those trade shows is to impersonate anybody but him. I
have
> > > impersonated him myself by trading eyeglasses and schmoozing potential
> > customers
> > > while BG stood in the background looking stupid. Some people also
> > thought
> > we
> > > were brothers with the same mother, different fathers. BG is easily
> > amused at
> > > boring trade shows, so if you find yourself talking to a cranky
> > machinist
> > with a
> > > penchant for bullshit who says he's not Bruce Gordon, it's probably
him!
> > > Joe Bell
> > > (BG lookalike contest winner)
> > >
> > > Kenneth Wallace wrote:
> > >
> > > > At the Anaheim show a few years ago, I was talking to someone at
Bruce
> > > > Gordon's booth. I have a lugged Gordon and asked about the price of
a
> > > > lugged frame. Gordon wanted $3200 for a lugged frams (acording to
> > this
> > guy)
> > > > because he had burned out his lungs not wearing a mask, and if he
had
> > to
> > > > strap one on to do a brazed frame, he wanted a lot of money,
> > > >
> > > > Ken Wallace in sunny Phoenix (Oh, wait, that's redundant)
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 4
> > From: "Jim Hultman" <JimHultman@email.msn.com>
> > To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:11:36 -0700
> > Subject: [CR]Speaking of Legnano's..
> >
> > Speaking of Legnano's, I've just purchased one & I'd like to get your
> > opinion on its age. The frameset is Reynolds 531, chrome fork, pale blue
> > metallic finish. Lugs are rather long, single point...no chrome anywhere
> > aside from the fork. Seatstays are simple looking; come to a point at
> > mid-seat lug. The frame measures 58.5x58.5 c/c. It's got a Shimano 6
speed
> > on a Normandy Luxe Competition high flange hubset, 700c Weinmanns, the
> > oldest Shimano 600 rr derailleur ( flourishes) , Ofmega NR copy cranks,
> > Ofmega HS, Universal Super 68 calipers.
> > There is a small round, red Legnano Gran Premio decal on the
downtube...&
> > a
> > decal in the shape of a scroll at the shifters (Campy) that reads
"Legnano
> > 6
> > Volte Campione del Mondo".
> > The bike is a comfortable ride, steers quite nicely; no toe
> > overlap...neither squirrely nor slow. It doesn't 'feel' as old as the
> > components, actually. What year might it be?
> > Jim Hultman
> >
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 5
> > From: Philcycles@aol.com
> > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:19:15 EDT
> > Subject: Re: [Fwd: [CR]Track bars - where found and what size]
> > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 6/13/01 6:49:18 PM, questor@cinci.rr.com writes:
> >
> > << However, ***you should know in advance what width size bars you need
> > (e.g. 58cm, 60cm, 62cm, or 64cm) and what diameter size stem you
> > currently have***. Nitto and Cinelli Pista bars are uniquely different
> > diameter sizes!
> > >>
> >
> > Don't know where those sizes came from-bars are usually from 38cm to
46cm
> > or
> > so. Track bars run from 38 to 42 or so.
> > Phil Brown
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 6
> > From: DMart84815@aol.com
> > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:23:34 EDT
> > Subject: Re: [CR]Little known builders
> > To: jet@sciti.com
> > Cc: ClassicRendezvous@bikelist.org
> >
> > Hello Joe.
> >
> > Brian Spitz works with
> > Peter
> > Johnson at Peters machine shop.
> > Dave
> > Martinez
> >
> > Fremont Ca
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:31:37 -0700
> > To: OROBOYZ@aol.com
> > From: Monkeyman <monkey37@bluemarble.net>
> > Subject: Re: [CR]Little known builders; Sam Braxton
> > Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >
> > You're right I'm not old enough to have read everything, just
> > everything from about '87 and only bits and pieces from the ten years
> > prior. I actually grew up about 100 West of him in Coeur d'Alene,
> > Idaho and ever heard of him until I moved to Seattle and worked with
> > a guy named Monty"Montana"Pirtle who worked for him way back. It
> > doesn't surprise me that he was close to the BikeCentennial folks
> > since from what I've heard they were founded in his shop. Anyway
> > he's just one of those people I'm fascinated by. SO if anyone has
> > the aforementioned articles I'll be more than happy to trade for an
> > Art Stump aricle or something.
> > enjoy,
> > Brandon"monkeyman"Ives
> >
> > >In a message dated 6/13/2001 2:09:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > >monkey37@bluemarble.net writes:
> > >
> > ><< The guy I started with, Sam
> > > Braxton, has never to my knowledge had anything writeen about him in
> > the
> > > cycling press and only 2 other people on the list have even heard of
> > > him. >>
> > >
> > >
> > >You guys are just not old enough... Braxton had a bit or two about him
> > in
> > >the old Bike World and was pretty well known to BikeCentennial riders.
He
> > was
> > >also known to be grumpy to the extreme at times and hard nosed about
his
> > bike
> > >designs... Not that that is bad!!!!
> > >
> > >Dale Brown
> > >Greensboro, NC
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> >
> >
> > --
> > Huge Spring Cleaning Bike Parts Sale
> > http://www.uweb.ucsb.edu/
> >
> > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > Nobody can do everything,
> > but if everybody did something
> > everything would get done.
> > -Gil Scott Heron-
> > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 8
> > From: Huemax@aol.com
> > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:42:38 EDT
> > Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Campag track hub warranty issue
> > To: david@bikecult.com, fixed-gear@lists.davin.ottawa.on.ca
> > Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >
> > I do not understand Campagnolo nor this discussion. The track hub has
> > less
> > capacity than Road hubs????
> >
> > I have seen some Olympic track racings and real Keirin competitions,
many
> > power riders of short distant are huge, 200 to 250 lb (?) with
tremendous
> > body (legs).
> >
> > It was understood in young mind that they could not hold up Quick
Release
> > skewer, and has to use 1/8" chain ring with fixed gear. Why do not use
> > 3/32"
> > lighter chain?
> > Also, why they tighten hub shaft with lugs? Moreover, there is very
> > critical inspection of Keirin frame every year or less for metal
fatigue!
> >
> > I remember seeing a keirin racer was practicing with 48 to 14 T gear
> > climbing
> > up very steep hill while I cound not move there 42 to 21T. I was
walking
> >
> > up, and he passed me. I felt his power, and thought he could break
> > Shimano/Suntour parts!
> > It was about 1970.
> >
> > KEN TODA, I can not remember what kind of bike he had, but he had one or
> > two
> > spare tires, and the saddle so small and funny.
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:45:33 -0700
> > To: questor@cinci.rr.com
> > From: Monkeyman <monkey37@bluemarble.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Fwd: [CR]Track bars - where found and what size]
> > Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >
> > >You probably are refering to Cinelli Pista curved (no brake handle)
bars
> > >used in track or criterium races. Raddoneur bars are used for mostly
> > >road races or criteriums and allow brake handles to be mounted.
> >
> > You can put brake levers on the track bars and the big difference
> > from "regular" road bars is they have very little flat on the top of
> > the bars and the bends are deeper. I like to use track bars for
> > Psychocross myself. Also, Raundoneur bars are really not for any
> > kind of racing, but were designed for touring in specific.
> >
> > >However, ***you should know in advance what width size bars you need
> > >(e.g. 58cm, 60cm, 62cm, or 64cm) and what diameter size stem you
> > >currently have***. Nitto and Cinelli Pista bars are uniquely different
> > >diameter sizes!
> >
> > I not sure what you're talking about concerning widths since I've
> > know of no road bar that goes even to 58cm. Also the breakdown for
> > bar clamp diameter is 25.4mm for most Japanese and basic bars before
> > 1970, 26.0mm for most European bars and post 70s bars, and 26.4mm is
> > Cinelli's specific size. This is the reason I like 26.0 steel stem
> > since you can shim them easily for 25.4 and they will stretch just
> > fine for 26.4.
> >
> > enjoy,
> > Brandon"monkeyman"Ives
> >
> > --
> > Huge Spring Cleaning Bike Parts Sale
> > http://www.uweb.ucsb.edu/
> >
> > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > Nobody can do everything,
> > but if everybody did something
> > everything would get done.
> > -Gil Scott Heron-
> > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 10
> > From: "Mark Petry" <mpetry@bainbridgeisland.net>
> > To: <Huemax@aol.com>, <david@bikecult.com>,
> > <fixed-gear@lists.davin.ottawa.on.ca>
> > Cc: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Subject: RE: [CR]Re: Campag track hub warranty issue
> > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:13:54 -0700
> >
> > I have no evidence here, only conjecture, but I suspect that the Campy
> > track
> > hubs get fractured not by brutal sprinting but by getting beat over the
> > bumps, which subjects the wheel to loads that are not evenly distributed
> > across all spokes.
> >
> > A powerful sprinter will strain the wheel and hub, sure, but that's a
very
> > different kind of loading than a city pothole with the rider's full
weight
> > bearing down.
> >
> > markp
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org
> > [mailto:classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org]On Behalf Of Huemax@aol.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 8:43 PM
> > To: david@bikecult.com; fixed-gear@lists.davin.ottawa.on.ca
> > Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Campag track hub warranty issue
> >
> >
> > I do not understand Campagnolo nor this discussion. The track hub has
> > less
> > capacity than Road hubs????
> >
> > I have seen some Olympic track racings and real Keirin competitions,
many
> > power riders of short distant are huge, 200 to 250 lb (?) with
tremendous
> > body (legs).
> >
> > It was understood in young mind that they could not hold up Quick
Release
> > skewer, and has to use 1/8" chain ring with fixed gear. Why do not use
> > 3/32"
> > lighter chain?
> > Also, why they tighten hub shaft with lugs? Moreover, there is very
> > critical inspection of Keirin frame every year or less for metal
fatigue!
> >
> > I remember seeing a keirin racer was practicing with 48 to 14 T gear
> > climbing
> > up very steep hill while I cound not move there 42 to 21T. I was
walking
> > up, and he passed me. I felt his power, and thought he could break
> > Shimano/Suntour parts!
> > It was about 1970.
> >
> > KEN TODA, I can not remember what kind of bike he had, but he had one or
> > two
> > spare tires, and the saddle so small and funny.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 11
> > From: Huemax@aol.com
> > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 00:32:36 EDT
> > Subject: Re: [Fwd: [CR]Track bars , hubs, thier strength
> > To: questor@cinci.rr.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >
> > Here we go again, what I remember was; the Track handle bar was usually
> > chromoly steel. So as stems. Can you imagine if a strong Keirin racer
> > rode
> > a bike with AVA
> > death stem and bars???, he might never make 1000 meter goal ahead!
> >
> > Some one please help me for a termnology, there was a type of racing
> > (track)
> > called "Oikosi", which Japanese term means "Passing". At least a team
of
> > two
> > riders cruise around track and at certain spot, pass each other. It was
> > FAST, speed over 100km/h (63mph+), at moment. I do not think they can
use
> > a
> > road racer bike for this. It will break down in a few seconds!
> >
> > KEN TODA, I was once impressed "human power" and speed with bike.
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 12
> > From: Mark Bulgier <mark@bulgier.net>
> > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: RE: [CR]Little known builders; Sam Braxton
> > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:38:16 -0700
> >
> > Sam visited the Davidson shop when I worked there and was given a tour.
> > He
> > was very polite and humble, even excessively so. We knew that, though
we
> > had more machinery and made more frames in a month than he ever had, he
> > made
> > very nice frames and there's nothing wrong with being small.
> >
> > I liked his touring bikes with the pannier racks *brazed* to the
seatstays
> > -- AND to the seat tube. No kidding around!
> >
> > Mark Bulgier
> > Seattle, Wa USA
> >
> > Monkeyman wrote:
> > >
> > > << The guy I started with, Sam
> > > Braxton, has never to my knowledge had anything written
> > > about him in the cycling press and only 2 other people on
> > > the list have even heard of him. >>
> >
> > and Dale replied:
> >
> > > You guys are just not old enough... Braxton had a bit or two
> > > about him in the old Bike World and was pretty well known to
> > > BikeCentennial riders. He was also known to be grumpy to the
> > > extreme at times and hard nosed about his bike designs...
> > > Not that that is bad!!!!
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 13
> > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:01:00 +1200
> > From: David Benson <tech@worrall.co.nz>
> > To: Mark Battley <m.battley@irl.cri.nz>,
> > classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: Re: [CR]Re: French diameter FD & Peugeot opinions solicited
> >
> > Mark,
> > I'm not absolutely sure, but I understand that some Peugots sold in New
> > Zealand were
> > made under licence by Healings, who were the agent for Peugot at that
> > time.
> > In 1990 I went to the auction of the Healing plant in Christchurch and I
> > still have a
> > couple of french thread bottom bracket shells that we got as part of a
job
> > lot.
> > Surprisingly, I used a few over the next few years, generally on French
> > frames with
> > cracked BB shells.
> > That's a market which seems to have dried up.
> >
> > A few years back I built a touring frame out of metric sized Columbus GT
> > tubing.
> > None of the tubes fit my tube blocks, so I had to use a workstand to
hold
> > the tubes for
> > mitring. It wouldn't have been my first choice, but I already owned the
> > tubeset...
> >
> > The rear derailler hanger thread is M10 x 1. Its a standard thread that
> > you can get
> > readily from engineers suppliers.
> > DB
> >
> > Mark Battley wrote:
> >
> > > My 1979 Peugeot has metric diameter Vitus 172DB tubing (26.0 TT, 28.0
> > > ST&DT), but with an English threaded BB. Stem was 22.0, but a 22.2
> > fitted
> > > with only very slight mods to the wedge.
> > >
> > > A standard (Shimano) FD clamped on without any problems. When I got
the
> > bike
> > > I expected all sorts of hassles with fitting more modern components,
but
> > it
> > > turned out to be quite straightforward.
> > >
> > > On a related subject:
> > > >The one I have appears to be a lugged, steel-frame 10-speed built
> > > >around (I'm guessing) 1980 or so.... I've recently read that many
> > older
> > > >Peugeots had an odd rear dropout which can't accept modern rear
> > derailleur
> > > >hardware. The question is, how do I tell whether the bike I have can
> > take
> > > >modern derailleur hardware?
> > >
> > > If it is about 1980 you might be okay. Easiest way probably is to
try -
> > see
> > > if you can pick up a trashed derailleur from a bike shop and see if
the
> > > thread fits. My understanding is that if it is not the same any bike
> > shop
> > > should be able to retap it to a "modern" thread. In my case the thread
> > is
> > > "modern", but when I got the bike the one non-standard component was
the
> > RD
> > > which had been replaced by an early Suntour Superb-pro, so it is
> > possible
> > > that it may already have been modified.
> > >
> > > Mark Battley.
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 14
> > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:06:47 +1200
> > From: David Benson <tech@worrall.co.nz>
> > To: Aldo Ross <swampmtn@siscom.net>
> > Cc: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: Re: [CR]coppi photo
> >
> > Looking through Jacques Augendre's book on Coppi, he seems to have
> > preferred his rear QR on the right. This makes some sense from a
> > mechanics perspective- tightening both quick releases becomes a right
> > handed job.
> > My friend Gaz, who's in the clothing business
> > (http://www.n-zone.co.nz/), pointed out that his jersey was knitted on a
> > tube.
> > DB
> >
> > Aldo Ross wrote:
> >
> > > Also on eBay - an excellent photo of Fausto Coppi with his Bianchi.
> > >
> > > http://ebay.com/
> > >
> > > things I noticed:
> > >
> > > binder bolt
> > >
> > > gob of tape around brake lever clamp
> > >
> > > pre-"Extra" Universal brake caliper (no qr)
> > >
> > > rear wheel qr lever on drive side
> > >
> > > nut and bolt through back of pedal
> > >
> > > full length cable housing to rear derailleur
> > >
> > > Aldo Ross
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 15
> > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:06:40 -0400
> > To: Donald A Walter <donrazr@juno.com>,
> > classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > From: Harvey M Sachs <sachs@erols.com>
> > Subject: Shipping wheels, was Re: [CR]Rear Wheel
> >
> > Wheels seem hard to box and to ship cost-effectively. What works? I
have
> >
> > several rear wheels I'd be happy to post, but the hassle factor looks so
> > formidable that they languish in the corners...
> >
> > harvey sachs
> > mclean, va
> >
> > At 14:54 6/5/2001 -0800, Donald A Walter wrote:
> > >Does anybody have a reasonably round and true 700C clincher rear wheel
> > >with 126mm rear spacing that they are not interested in and would be
> > >willing to part with for a reasonable sum? Classic era preferred, but
> > >high end not preferred. (Araya and Sansin would be fine).
> > >Also, when did Mavic change from the red label with diamond logo to the
> > >yellow and green label on their rims? Was this change concurrent with a
> > >change in leadership/ownership?
> > >Thanks in advance. Don W. Tucson, AZ
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 16
> > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:16:30 +0100
> > Subject: Re: Shipping wheels, was Re: [CR]Rear Wheel
> > From: Bob Reid <bob.reid@btconnect.com>
> > To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> >
> > Harvey,
> >
> > Get along to your nearest LBS that sells high-end wheels - almost all
> > "wheelsets" (Campag Nucleon etc.) come packed in stout carboard boxes
> > obviously already the right size for two wheels. You'll also find many
> > LBS's
> > will have plenty of those plastic plugs lying about that push over the
QR
> > axle in place of the skewer (get the "sombrero" shaped ones). These are
to
> > protect not only the threads of the axle, but to prevent the box from
> > being
> > punctured. In addition I've packaged them in bubblewrap and had no
> > problems
> > so far.
> >
> > Bob (my shop's called 'Wheels') Reid
> > Stonehaven
> > Scotland
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 17
> > From: "Moos, Jerry" <jmoos@urc.com>
> > To: "'Huemax@aol.com'" <Huemax@aol.com>, questor@cinci.rr.com,
> > classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: RE: [Fwd: [CR]Track bars , hubs, thier strength
> > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:59:02 -0400
> >
> > Do you mean Pursuit?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jerry Moos
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Huemax@aol.com [mailto:Huemax@aol.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 12:33 AM
> > To: questor@cinci.rr.com; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: Re: [Fwd: [CR]Track bars , hubs, thier strength
> >
> >
> > Here we go again, what I remember was; the Track handle bar was usually
> > chromoly steel. So as stems. Can you imagine if a strong Keirin racer
> > rode
> >
> > a bike with AVA
> > death stem and bars???, he might never make 1000 meter goal ahead!
> >
> > Some one please help me for a termnology, there was a type of racing
> > (track)
> >
> > called "Oikosi", which Japanese term means "Passing". At least a team
of
> > two
> > riders cruise around track and at certain spot, pass each other. It was
> > FAST, speed over 100km/h (63mph+), at moment. I do not think they can
use
> > a
> >
> > road racer bike for this. It will break down in a few seconds!
> >
> > KEN TODA, I was once impressed "human power" and speed with bike.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 18
> > From: "Moos, Jerry" <jmoos@urc.com>
> > To: "'questor@cinci.rr.com'" <questor@cinci.rr.com>,
> > classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: RE: [Fwd: [CR]Track bars - where found and what size]
> > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:11:58 -0400
> >
> > I think you mean Maes bars for road racing. Randonneur bars are used
for
> > touring. The tops bend down a bit, then up again before the curve down
to
> > the drops begins. This allows more variation of hand positions on the
> > tops
> > for comfort on long tours. Maes are the most familar drop bars with
flat
> > tops, named after the great pre-WWII Belgian champion Sylvere Maes.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jerry Moos
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: questor@cinci.rr.com [mailto:questor@cinci.rr.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 10:47 PM
> > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: [Fwd: [CR]Track bars - where found and what size]
> >
> >
> > You probably are refering to Cinelli Pista curved (no brake handle) bars
> > used in track or criterium races. Raddoneur bars are used for mostly
> > road races or criteriums and allow brake handles to be mounted. These
> > can be found on ebay for $30 to $80, depending on the season and style.
> > Track bars can be found in two main types: steel (more strength and
> > durable) or alloy (less weight).
> >
> > However, ***you should know in advance what width size bars you need
> > (e.g. 58cm, 60cm, 62cm, or 64cm) and what diameter size stem you
> > currently have***. Nitto and Cinelli Pista bars are uniquely different
> > diameter sizes!
> >
> > Regards, Steve
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 19
> > From: "THOMAS ADAMS" <KCTOMMY@msn.com>
> > To: "Classic List" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:38:35 -0500
> > Subject: [CR]eBay Raleigh Spotting
> >
> > =20
> > eBay spotting report. Raleigh International, 24.5 inch, reportedly
NIB.=
> > Bronze Green. Picture on auction looks like catalog page instead of
ac=
> > tual bike. Seller also lists wheels as 27 inch, whereas I thought
Intern=
> > ationals came with Tubies. I'd be interested but I already have an
Inter=
> > national.
> >
> > No relation to seller
> >
> > Tom Adams, Kansas City
> >
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 20
> > From: "Clive's Quality Training" <cqt@intercoast.com.au>
> > To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:41:32 +1000
> > Subject: [CR]Geminiani
> >
> > I too have a Gem to restore.
> > Does anyone have decals/head-seat decals/badges for sale??
> > Thanks Clive.
> >
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 21
> > From: "Moos, Jerry" <jmoos@urc.com>
> > To: 'Jim Hultman' <JimHultman@email.msn.com>,
> > classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: RE: [CR]Speaking of Legnano's..
> > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:35:20 -0400
> >
> > The first step to dating a Legnano is to check out the seat binder bolt.
> > Legnanos made when the company was independent, in the late 70's and
> > before,
> > almost alway have the unique binder bolt IN FRONT of the seat tube
rather
> > than behind it. This required a unique rear centerpull brake hanger,
> > also,
> > which bolted into a threaded hole behind the seat tube, since there was
no
> > binder bolt behind the seat to secure a normal hanger to. From the 80's
> > on,
> > Legnanos were made by Bianchi and were essentially identical to the
> > corresponding Bianchi models, except for paint and decals. These lack
the
> > unique binder bolt and hanger. I've seen several Bianchi-made Legnanos
> > that
> > were the same frame as the Bianchi TSX/UL, a top Bianchi model made from
> > the
> > mid 80's until 1997. BTW, the "Gran Premio" decal is puzzling, as in
the
> > 60's and 70's the Gran Premio was a lower end model with lesser tubing,
> > not
> > 531. The top model then was the Tipo Roma. Maybe Bianchi used the
> > Legnano
> > model names differently.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jerry Moos
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jim Hultman [mailto:JimHultman@email.msn.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 11:12 PM
> > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: [CR]Speaking of Legnano's..
> >
> >
> > Speaking of Legnano's, I've just purchased one & I'd like to get your
> > opinion on its age. The frameset is Reynolds 531, chrome fork, pale blue
> > metallic finish. Lugs are rather long, single point...no chrome anywhere
> > aside from the fork. Seatstays are simple looking; come to a point at
> > mid-seat lug. The frame measures 58.5x58.5 c/c. It's got a Shimano 6
speed
> > on a Normandy Luxe Competition high flange hubset, 700c Weinmanns, the
> > oldest Shimano 600 rr derailleur ( flourishes) , Ofmega NR copy cranks,
> > Ofmega HS, Universal Super 68 calipers.
> > There is a small round, red Legnano Gran Premio decal on the
downtube...&
> > a
> > decal in the shape of a scroll at the shifters (Campy) that reads
"Legnano
> > 6
> > Volte Campione del Mondo".
> > The bike is a comfortable ride, steers quite nicely; no toe
> > overlap...neither squirrely nor slow. It doesn't 'feel' as old as the
> > components, actually. What year might it be?
> > Jim Hultman
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 22
> > From: "THOMAS ADAMS" <KCTOMMY@msn.com>
> > To: "Classic List" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Subject: Re: [CR]eBay Raleigh Spotting
> > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:44:49 -0500
> >
> > Oops. Forgot the URL.
http://ebay.com/
> > m&item=3D1155786560
> > =20
> >
> > Tom Adams, apparently too early in Kansas City
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: THOMAS ADAMS
> > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 7:43 AM
> > To: Classic List
> > Subject: [CR]eBay Raleigh Spotting
> > =20
> > =20
> > eBay spotting report. Raleigh International, 24.5 inch, reportedly NIB.
=
> > Bronze Green. Picture on auction looks like catalog page instead of
act=
> > ual bike. Seller also lists wheels as 27 inch, whereas I thought
Interna=
> > tionals came with Tubies. I'd be interested but I already have an
Intern=
> > ational.
> >
> > No relation to seller
> >
> > Tom Adams, Kansas City
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 23
> > From: "Moos, Jerry" <jmoos@urc.com>
> > To: 'Mark Battley' <m.battley@irl.cri.nz>,
> > classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, msherck@aol.comimagine
> > Subject: RE: [CR]Re: French diameter FD & Peugeot opinions solicited
> > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:16:34 -0400
> >
> > The 60's and 70's era French bikes typically had Simplex dropouts.
These
> > have a non-threaded hole and lack the "notch" in the front of the DO
which
> > Campy DOs use as a rotation stop. The Simplex derailleurs typically
used
> > with these thread into a nut that presses into the inside of the DO.
The
> > rotation stop is provided by a tab on the derailleur near the upper
pivot.
> > You can tap a Simplex DO for modern pivot bolts and file a notch into
them
> > for the stop. Personally, I would rather find an old Simplex derailleur
> > or
> > use a bolt-on hanger, rather than desecrate and old French frame like
> > that.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jerry Moos
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark Battley [mailto:m.battley@irl.cri.nz]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 4:23 PM
> > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org; msherck@aol.comimagine
> > Subject: [CR]Re: French diameter FD & Peugeot opinions solicited
> >
> >
> > >Sheldon has an excellent discussion of this on his web site. The
French
> > tubes
> > >were metric gauge, i.e. the ODs were whole mm, 26.0mm for the top tube,
> > 28.0mm for
> > >seat tube and down tube. Other tube sets were really English OD, 1"
> > (25.4mm) for
> > >top tube and 1 1/8" (28.6mm) for the seat tube and down tube. As to
> > when,
> > the
> > >French used these dimensions in the 60's and perhaps much much earlier,
> > and
> > my
> > >1986 Peugeot PZ-10 still has metric tubing even though the threading is
> > English.
> > >Why? I suppose the French, who invented the metric system, found it
> > logical to
> > >have tube ODs, and therefore clampon component IDs, in even mm rather
> > than
> > in
> > >inches. Makes sense to me, but they lost the standards war in the
> > marketplace.
> >
> > My 1979 Peugeot has metric diameter Vitus 172DB tubing (26.0 TT, 28.0
> > ST&DT), but with an English threaded BB. Stem was 22.0, but a 22.2
fitted
> > with only very slight mods to the wedge.
> >
> > A standard (Shimano) FD clamped on without any problems. When I got the
> > bike
> > I expected all sorts of hassles with fitting more modern components, but
> > it
> > turned out to be quite straightforward.
> >
> > On a related subject:
> > >The one I have appears to be a lugged, steel-frame 10-speed built
> > >around (I'm guessing) 1980 or so.... I've recently read that many
older
> > >Peugeots had an odd rear dropout which can't accept modern rear
> > derailleur
> > >hardware. The question is, how do I tell whether the bike I have can
> > take
> > >modern derailleur hardware?
> >
> > If it is about 1980 you might be okay. Easiest way probably is to try -
> > see
> > if you can pick up a trashed derailleur from a bike shop and see if the
> > thread fits. My understanding is that if it is not the same any bike
shop
> > should be able to retap it to a "modern" thread. In my case the thread
is
> > "modern", but when I got the bike the one non-standard component was the
> > RD
> > which had been replaced by an early Suntour Superb-pro, so it is
possible
> > that it may already have been modified.
> >
> > Mark Battley.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
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