Re: [CR]Hellenic stays

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Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 20:40:36 -0500
From: "Steve Kurt" <>
Subject: Re: [CR]Hellenic stays
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Hi gang, I agree with Mr. Baylis, except I might phrase it "Pure marketing". To me, this raises the basic question: Do we fall in love with a bike because of fine engineering, or because of those aspects that are purely ornamental? Given a choice between two frames/bikes with nominally equivalent rides, would you cherish the bike with clean construction but no flourishes, or with the bike with clean construction and non-functional flourishes (hellenic stays, outrageous lugs, etc)? Just wondering.... Personally, I'm a bit fond of those features that demonstrate the extra care taken by the builder, but would pass on those items that are clearly non-functional. However, I am still amazed and intrigued by Brian's latest work! It's obvious that a lot of skill is involved, regardless of one's opinion of the aesthetic value.

Steve Kurt, part-time lurker, and owner of an International clearcoated by Brian. Peoria, IL

From: Brian Baylis <>


Pure Foo Foo.

Brian Baylis
> After looking at Brian's latest frame, I wanted to ask about hellenic stays.
> Is there a structural reason for stays like this, or is it purely for looks?


> David Goerndt