[CR]Flags on Masi decals

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From: "Jim McCoin" <ronald774@home.com>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:32:43 -0700
Subject: [CR]Flags on Masi decals

I may have missed a message along the way , but IM wiping the dust off my Masi GC for a vintage ride in a week or so, it was repainted by D& D cycles in the late '80s and the flags go, England , Belgium , Italy ,Switzerland , France , USA . As they say on the street " whats up with that" Jim ,another variation,McCoin Fremont Ca.

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> 1. longish report from T-Town (Tom Dalton)
> 2. Re: Flags on Masi decal (Brian Baylis)
> 3. Lost my pedals at T-town. (Tom Dalton)
> 4. Re: Gitane Tour De France Decals (patrick bakke)
>Message: 1
>Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 09:23:34 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Tom Dalton <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]longish report from T-Town
>I’m only now recovering from a rather frightening bout
>of compulsive spending at the T-town swap meet. An
>excessively-long account is certainly in order… Okay,
>I’ll spare everyone and try to keep it brief.
>Top ten highlights of the 2001 LVC Swap Meet
>10) Perfect, perfect weather (definitely not the norm
>for this event)
>9) Bought a set of late (stamped-logo, non-fluted) SR
>cranks 172.5 42/53 almost new for $25
>8) Bought an interesting Oria-tubed Daccordi frame in
>my exact size for $100 (new)
>7) Had the pleasure of meeting Bobby Julich who kindly
>donated all proceeds from the sale of his old team
>6) NYC courier crowd was present in force, adding to
>the carnival atmosphere. Miller Lites on the infield
>at 10 AM???? Cigarette smoking cyclists??? Whatever.
>5) Bought a rough badge-logo Cinelli Stem and steel
>track bar for $30, accidentally left it on Bobby “the
>Baltimore Bullet” Phillips’ table and when I came back
>to find it, it was gone. Moments later we found Larry
>Black with the bars in hand looking for someone to buy
>them from. Thanks Larry! Sorry Larry.
>4) Had countless conversations with strangers who
>shared an interest in old bike junk.
>3) Bought a set of NOS Criterium Seta Extras for $85
>2) Bought 20 sets of high-end Modolo and CLB alloy
>brake cables for $40
>1) Soon after my funds were depleted, found an ATM,
>got a few more bucks, and keep makin’ deals.
>Bottom five low-lights of the 2001 LVC Swap Meet
>5) They had a freakin’ ATM at the velodrome swap
>meet!!!! Why not just put vodka in the coffee urns at
>an AA meeting.
>4) Spent $35 on a set of Binda Extras (I just had to
>have them, I guess).
>3) Bought a near-perfect set of SL track pedals for
>$25 and promptly lost them (Arrrghhhh!)
>2) In my shopping frenzy, I never set up my table to
>sell anything. Oh well.
>1) Spent $85 on two old tubulars, $40 on a bunch of
>old cables I’ll never use, $30 on rusty handlebars…
>what was I thinking???
>I guess my main point here is that the event is good
>fun, and if you have had any thoughts of going, you
>should attend next year. If you are a collector of
>fine racing bicycles from the 70’s or before, you
>probably won’t find much gear, but if you like later
>SR and early C stuff like I do, there is plenty. If
>you are a BOB-ish type who just prefers friction over
>index, clips over clipless, freewheels over cassettes,
>and so on, this is an event for you. Hundreds of
>racers selling off outdated equipment! Please,
>everyone, come next year, as it is very expensive for
>me to buy all the available vintage stuff by myself…
>Finally, one observation… I came across a father and
>son who were eyeing up a circa 1994 (OT!!!) Chorus
>8-speed ergo Giordana that looked almost unridden.
>They said the seller wanted $600. I though “what a
>steal,” a hand-built Italian TSX frame is worth
>several hundred by itself. They said that they wanted
>it as a race bike for the son who was just starting
>out. And then I started to think about it… The bike
>had tubulars, so they would need to buy another set of
>wheels for training or have the existing hubs rebuilt.
> Then there is the fact that the bike is 8-speed, so
>they are going to have trouble finding replacement
>cogs, extra wheels, etc. Also, this bike was probably
>3 pounds heavier than a current top end-model. I
>think it would still be a good bike for any beginning
>racer and that $600 is a good price, but looked at
>from the perspective of a young racer (or his father),
>rather than an old guy who likes old bikes, suddenly
>it wasn’t a no-brainer.
>Tom Dalton
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>Message: 2
>Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:21:39 -0700
>From: Brian Baylis <rocklube@adnc.com>
>Reply-To: rocklube@adnc.com
>To: David Goerndt <davidg@iag.net>
>Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]Flags on Masi decal
>Having looked around my stuff and talking with Jim Allen, I have found
>the same as Jim did; they're all the same. I have a idea what might
>explain the situation. One, back in the late 70's Rexart/Medici had gran
>criterium decals reproduced. There is a possibility that it is one of
>those, but I would be very surprised if there were any changes made to
>that artwork. The other possibility is that someone reproduced them and
>intentionally changed the artwork for some reason, perhaps to avoid
>"copyright infringement" or something. Don't know why someone would do
>this, but if you have a decal then obviously someone did. That is a
>complicated multicolor decal set which is no easy chore to reproduce.
>Are you POSITIVE that the decal you have came from Masi USA? No one
>there knows anything about a "variation" of the Gran Criterium decal
>set. I don't know what to tell you on this one. Any detectives in the
>Brian Baylis
>La Mesa, CA
>> I was comparing the flags used on the down tube decal on my GC and noticed a
>> strange discrepency. It seems that on all of the older US Masis, the flags
>> used are: Belgium (Black-Red-Yellow vertical bands), Italian, Swiss, French
>> and United States. On the Masi I have (which is a repaint with decals
>> furnished by Masi USA) the flags used are: German (Black-Red-Yellow
>> horizontal bands), Luxembourg or Netherlands (Red-White-Blue horizontal
>> bands), Spain(?) (Red-Yellow-Red hiorizontal bands), Finland (Blue Cross on
>> White field), Austria(?) (Red-White-Red horizontal bands), Sweden (Yellow
>> cross on Blue field). My question is, why are the flags used so different
>> from the early Masi decals? Is there some copyright problem that keeps the
>> currently available decals from using the original flag lineup?
>> David Goerndt
>> _______________________________________________
>Message: 3
>Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:39:10 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Tom Dalton <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]Lost my pedals at T-town.
>It's a long shot, a wild goose chase, like looking for
>a set of old-logo 66-42's in a haystack, but did
>anyone who attended the T-town swap happen to find a
>nice set of SL track pedals in a brown paper bag.
>They had rusty clips and some toestraps, and there was
>an NR English cupset in there also. Just had to put
>this out there in the unlikely event...
>Anyone with information leading to the recovery of
>these pedals will be richly rewarded with some sort of
>vintage tidbit..
>Tom Dalton
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>Message: 4
>From: "patrick bakke" <bakkepatrick@hotmail.com>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]Gitane Tour De France Decals
>Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:41:02 -0700
>I'm in as well
>Rick Bakke
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