Re: [CR]Masi Gran Criterium ?

(Example: Framebuilders:Bernard Carré)

Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:08:02 -0700
From: "Brian Baylis" <>
To: Keith Kessel <>
Subject: Re: [CR]Masi Gran Criterium ?
References: <>


The ser.# of that frame as listed is not correct. First, the "A", "B", "C", "D" indicate the four quarters of the year. The next two numbers should be the year. Either there is a 7 before the eight which would make the frame B7810 or there is another number after the "0" which would make it B810?. Regardless, the first two numbers are the year. The last two numbers will be the actual number of the frame built during that quarter indicated by the letter. So it becomes important what numbers are actually present. Jim Allen would know for sure if that number is a variation of the system I have explained, since he did them. If the frame id B7810 then the frame was probably built by Ted Kirkbride. If it is B810? then yes it could be a Dave AND Brenda Moulton built frame. Brenda and Dave worked together so there is no such thing as a Brenda built frame. Without a close look at the details of this frame I would guess this is B7810. Someone needs to ask.

Hope this helps.

Brian Baylis La Mesa, CA
> any comments about the serial # on this bike. It appears to be a 1981 San
> Marcos Masi during the days of Dave Moulton. According to the info on the CR
> website it might have been built by Moulton's wife! I emailed the owner who
> said he bought it second hand from the orig. owner.
> Keith Kessel
> >From: Brian Baylis <>
> >Reply-To:
> >To: Mark Poore <>
> >CC:
> >Subject: Re: [CR]Masi Gran Criterium ?
> >Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:53:27 -0700
> >
> >Mark,
> >
> >Richie is correct, it's just a name. Couldn't tell you how or why they
> >came up with that one for that bike, but it has always been a misnomer
> >and has probably been the source of much "confusion" of frame geometry.
> >In my opinion it could easily have gone the way of Medici, when they
> >introduced the "Gran Tourisimo" to their line back in the mid 70's.
> >Maybe all the good names were taken ;-).
> >
> >Brian Baylis
> >I've got a couple of Masi "Gran Illusions" myself. The "Special" is more
> >approiately named.
> > >
> > > I have a question for those Masi aficionados. This Masi on ebay is a
> >Gran
> > > Criterium. If my memory serves me correctly, and it hasn't done well in
> > > recent years, the Gran Criterium had Criterium geometry and this one
> >appears
> > > to have more of a European road geometry. Would love to understand the
> >Masi
> > > geometry differences.
> > >
> > >
> ><blah>
> > >
> > > Mark, in sunny, cool and some patches of snow left WV, Poore