Re: [CR]Was Sam and his frame project / now bikeschool.com

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To: davebohm@home.com
Cc: rrose@normandassociates.com, mark@bulgier.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 10:57:44 -0500
Subject: Re: [CR]Was Sam and his frame project / now bikeschool.com
From: "Richard M Sachs" <richardsachs@juno.com>


<<< Then one of the instructors mis set my fixture and gave me about 90mm of BB drop. They called them the Richard sachs stays. >>>

hey! no fair! e-RICHIE

On Thu, 8 Nov 2001 07:07:34 -0700 "dave bohm" <davebohm@home.com> writes:
> Hi Richard
> Those (lugged), frames are the "easiest frames to build"!
> Other frame construction methods, including TIG, will not leave
> enough
> time during the duration of the course, to build a fork. I guess
> if you
> are doing one of those "easy" frames, there is so much time left
> over
> you get to do the fork.
> What am I missing here?
>
> I think it really has to do about the process. In theory TIG
> welding is faster. No lugs to worry about, no cleanup necessary
> etc. The glitch is that TIG is way harder for a beginner to get the
> hang of than brazing. Most of the TIG class is spent welding and
> the rest fabricating. In the lugged class very little time is
> actually spend brazing.
>
> Even after spending all this time TIG'ing most people at best are
> only fair at it. For me it took a lot of time to get any good as in
> hundreds of hours. Now I do it without really thinking and it goes
> quickly but there was a few times I wanted to give up.
>
> Another misnomer is that TIG welding is faster than brazing. That
> is not really true. It seems to take me just as long to weld a bike
> as it does to braze one. Its just that when I am done welding I am
> done. With a lugged bike I am looking at another whole day of
> filling, sanding etc to get the lugs were I want them.
>
> I still have that first bike. It is a 56 cm. That would have
> been O.K if it wasn't meant to be a 58. I kept botching my miters
> and it got progressively shorter and shorter. Then one of the
> instructors mis set my fixture and gave me about 90mm of BB drop.
> They called them the Richard sachs stays. When I wasn't looking
> they did some gentle manipulation of torch and such an put them
> back. I keep it to remind me.

>

> Dave Bohm

> Bohemian