Re: [CR]Hey is this a Rally or a NR?

(Example: Framebuilders:Rene Herse)

Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:52:59 -0800
To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
From: "Marc Boral" <mbikealive@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]Hey is this a Rally or a NR?
In-Reply-To: <B82A418B.243B%hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <3C048B74.80505@worrall.co.nz>


Hilary,

My fear is that David's ex-colleague might be remembering the legitimate GS Rally derailleur that was avail. in the'80s. Just because there is a NOS version in a box doesn't lend any support to the theory that this "rare" derailleur was a legitimate Campagnolo model. Hell, I have enough NOS components and NOS small parts to make thirty of these "rare" derailleurs, including the Rally red box. So just because there are a few examples out there, don't jump to conclusions. I even know of a few people that would do something like this, just to gain some sort of notoriety. So be careful when using phrases like "the evidence is now pointing to". Your intention to get your merchandise sold on Ebay MAY be contributing to misinformation for concerned enthusiasts.

Marc Boral Long Beach, CA

At 11:23 PM 11/27/2001, Hilary Stone wrote:
>I think the evidence is now pointing to an early 80s production by
>Campagnolo. In England we have seen the evidence of a NOS one in a box which
>was seen earlier this year and referred to by Tony Beckett in his earlier
>posting. What we must not forget is the middle version of the Rally produced
>which used the same hexagonal GS bolts. Perhaps the Nuovo Record GT long arm
>derailleurs were a pre-run for the version 2 Rally derailleur? I will add
>this to the description on Ebay.
>
>Regards
>
>Hilary Stone, Bristol
>
>
>David Benson wrote:
> > Well, what can I say?
> > Your "opinion" varies with my friends recollection of a situation that
> > he was personally involved with.
> > His "claim" is that he remembers receiving these deraillers from Campy,
> > sometime in th early '80's. Seems pretty straightforwatd to me.
> > DB
> > Ak, NZ
> >
> > Marc Boral wrote:
> >> Well, I guess all I can say is my opinion is different from his. So,
> >> until I see printed documentation referring to this "rare" derailleur,
> >> my opinion hasn't changed. There are just too many red flags
> >> indicating "Modified by Consumer". It would be interesting to hear
> >> any more details from him to support his claim.
> >>
> >> Marc Boral
> >> Long Beach, CA
> >>
> >>
> >> At 10:18 PM 11/27/2001, David Benson wrote:
> >>
> >>> Marc,
> >>> Until 1987 my ex-colleague was the Campagnolo buyer for the NZ
> >>> importer. They were an indent order for a customer whos specialised
> >>> in touring bikes.
> >>>
> >>> Auckland, NZ
> >>>
> >>> Marc Boral wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> My thesis was not "that these derailleurs were made up by
> >>>> distributors". I was suggesting that a private individual was
> >>>> responsible, possibly because large quantities of NOS GS and Rally
> >>>> small parts are still available from some distributors. That means
> >>>> it is easy for people to obtain the parts, fairly inexpensively, to
> >>>> make the example on Ebay.
> >>>>
> >>>> Who is your ex-colleague, and what gives you so much confidence in
> >>>> his opinion? I don't mean to be condescending, but I feel very
> >>>> confident in my assessment.