i agree with hilary and his post here. but once and for all we must realize that silver content is an ingredient of the rod and saying 'silver-brazed' means absolutely nothing. 'silver-solder' is a misnomer because the term 'solder' refers to a joinng process utilizing temps lower than 800 degrees if memory serves. above that temp it is called 'brazing'. there are nickel-silver rods made specifically for bicycle fabrication, all-state no.11 for one, that melt a higher temps than brass and build up decent fillets. then there is the easyflo 30, the easyflo 45, the braze 500, and braze 560, all from handy and harmon. the numbers designate the silver content of the alloy rod. each rod and the specific silver content has its own best applications. 753 could be fillet brazed with silver-content rod or with brass too. my recollection was that once a builder took that silly little certification test from reynolds which consisted of brazing a tube to a lug, akin to jumping through a hoop or performing a dog and pony gig, the certified builder returned to whatever assembly habits heshe was used to previous to his/her ordainment. 'sorry for the extra stanislowsky needed to make the point. e-RICHIE (my torch is bigger than yours...) 68 degrees* and off for a training ride *soldering or brazing? class? bueller?
On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:21:12 +0000 Hilary Stone
<hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:
> More than one builder has built lugless 753 frames in Britain - Argos
> here
> in Bristol built a few and so has Dave Yates in Newcastle. Both used
> silver
> solder for very small fillets - silver does not build up like the
> bronze
> alloys so the fillets are always miniscule. If the fillets were
> large I am
> sure they would be bronze.
>
> Hilary Stone, from the home of silver soldered frame construction,
> Bristol -
> Thanet Cycles based in Bristol were probably the first to use silver
> solder
> for frame construction and the very early Silverlights were
> lugless!
> >
> > garry nold wrote:
> >
> >> He is the only builder that I know to be Reynolds
> >> 753 certified for fillet braseing.
>
> Chris Beyer added:>
> > Huh? 753, as I understand it, is suitable only for
> silver-brazing, and I
> > don't
> > recall ever having seen any mention of anyone fillet-brazing with
> silver. The
> > equivalent tubing suitable for fillet brazing (bronze/brass) is
> 853.
> >
> > Framebuilders on the list: your recollections match mine?