Re: [CR]Re:Rally? $230...


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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:10:44 -0800
From: "John" <velostuf@qwest.net>
To: "J.Dunn" <bikehunter@icehouse.net>
Cc: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Organization: Velostuf
Subject: Re: [CR]Re:Rally? $230...
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John-

I hear ya... we're cool... I'm glad you spoke up.

John Barron Minneapolis

"J.Dunn" wrote:
> John Barron wrote: "Said another way, that
> > guy's purchase of that part DOESN'T change the intrinsic value of it- it
> > can't! But he's willing to trade some (a lot) of his cash for it... so
> > what?
>
> Yes, so what? This was my only point, John. I wasn't questioning the right
> that someone has to do this.
>
> "I have been around a while, and I know that there are a lot of folks who
> > have VERY different values from me. I try my best to accept it and not
> > make judgments about them, such as how much disposable income they have"
>
> I've been around a while too, John, and very different values are what makes
> the world an interesting place. Because I have an opinion about these
> values is not necessarily a "judgment" in the context you seem to be using.
> If someone can spend $1000 or so on a deralleur I think it's a pretty safe
> assumption that he/she has a good deal more disposable income then many
> folks will ever have.
>
> "I would consider the $20,000 purchase price of a minivan to be
> > "unimaginably high" because I don't value minivans the same as others
> > do. BUT, that doesn't make my stance some sort of "truth"."
>
> I feel the same way about a minivan, or any other kind of automobile, but
> that certainly doesn't mean that I am trying to represent my *opinion* as
> any sort of "truth". That's an assumption you made on your own. Usually
> "truth" knocks on the door and most people, irritated, yell, "Go away! I'm
> looking for the Truth!"
>
> Collectors can sometimes be a little defensive about the "value" of
> something. Weren't you one of the first ones to speak out, defending the
> guy who paid $100 for an empty box? ;-)
>
> Mark B. wrote: "If we agree that rarity adds to the value, then how can you
> put a value on
> something that most of us have never seen before - "the rarest of the rare"?
> I know this derailleur isn't a one-of-a-kind, but it is very rare indeed.
> If ten of something sell on ebay and one goes for a lot more than the
> others, then maybe that guy overpaid. But if (hypothetically speaking) one
> has never been auctioned before, how can you put a value on that?"
>
> I wasn't putting a value on anything. I was only stating my opinion that I
> find the prices astonishing and have a great deal of difficultly relating
> it to my *own* values. Jeez, you guys jump to the defense on these things
> as if I'm sitting in judgment and condemning these buyers to an everlasting
> hell. I don't seriously give a damn what they do with their money,but I am
> entitled to MY 2 CENTS (that means just my opinion. YMMV).
>
> John Dunn, respectfully disagreeing, in Boise
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John <velostuf@qwest.net>
> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 1:51 PM
> Subject: [CR]Re:Rally? $230...
>
> > John-
> >
> > I bet Dale IS speaking strictly in monetary terms.
> >
> > eBay doesn't eke out the intrinsic value of anything- it finds the
> > person who wants to trade the most money for it. Said another way, that
> > guy's purchase of that part DOESN'T change the intrinsic value of it- it
> > can't! But he's willing to trade some (a lot) of his cash for it... so
> > what?
> >
> > I would consider the $20,000 purchase price of a minivan to be
> > "unimaginably high" because I don't value minivans the same as others
> > do. BUT, that doesn't make my stance some sort of "truth".
> >
> > I have been around a while, and I know that there are a lot of folks who
> > have VERY different values from me. I try my best to accept it and not
> > make judgments about them, such as how much disposable income they have.
> >
> > This is an awesome group of people on the CR list, and I appreciate that
> > we can, at times, disagree respectfully. Thanks John
> >
> > John Barron
> > Minneapolis