Re: [CR]Fake Hetchins controversy.


Example: Framebuilders:Brian Baylis

To: hetchinspete@hotmail.com
Cc: jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, CNye113219@aol.com, OROBOYZ@aol.com
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:28:31 -0500
Subject: Re: [CR]Fake Hetchins controversy.
From: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com>


>The fact still remains, that David Miller has been producing cycle frames of quality under the Hetchins logo for quite some time.<

i propose the entire issue could be resolved if he rebadged them as 'millers'. e-RICHIE in Chester

On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 18:08:31 "peter naiman" <hetchinspete@hotmail.com> writes:
> Jerry; I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that the owner for whom David
> Miller
> works bought the name etc. but that the legal system in the UK is
> rather
> weak in this area. Maybe Clive or other from the UK could clear this
> up for
> us. The fact still remains, that David Miller has been producing
> cycle
> frames of quality under the Hetchins logo for quite some time. For
> someone
> to come along and claim to make Hetchins cycles is a bit wrong in
> many ways
> despite legalities.
> Peter Naiman
> Boston, Mass
>
>
>
> >From: "Jerry & Liz Moos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> >To: "peter naiman" <hetchinspete@hotmail.com>,
> ><classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, <CNye113219@aol.com>,
> <OROBOYZ@aol.com>
> >Subject: Re: [CR]Fake Hetchins controversy.
> >Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:19:36 -0600
> >
> >I know we've discussed this topic before, but what was the
> conclusive
> >evidence that David Millar is making the "real" Hetchins, while the
> others
> >are "fakes"? As far a I've heard, neither Millar nor his
> competitors have
> >any direct link to the original Hetchins company. If that is true,
> then
> >the
> >whole matter comes down to whether in fact Millar purchased
> exclusive
> >rights
> >to the Hetchins name and other intellectual property or whether he
> did not.
> >Perhaps I'm a bit naive about the British legal system, but if
> Millar's
> >rights are clear, shouldn't a lawsuit or even a threatened lawsuit
> resolve
> >the matter? Could the other party possibly be so bold as to
> virtually
> >invite a lawsuit which they would surely lose? Would not the
> losing party
> >have to pay the prevailing party's costs as in the US? It would
> seem that
> >either there is more to the story than we have heard, or the
> effectiveness
> >of the UK legal system (after which much of the US system was
> modeled) is
> >less than we naive ex-colonials have been led to believe.
> >
> >Of course, I have seen neither the Millar frames nor the "fakes" "in
> the
> >flesh, so perhaps those of you who, unlike myself, are qualified to
> express
> >an opinion consider the Millar frames accurate and well made, while
> the
> >others are crap by comparison. That would certainly be a valid
> reason to
> >refuse to buy the non-Millar frames and to advise others to do
> likewise,
> >but
> >avoiding a product because it is crap is quite different than
> avoiding it
> >because it is a fake.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Jerry Moos
> >Houston, TX
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "peter naiman" <hetchinspete@hotmail.com>
> >To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>; <CNye113219@aol.com>;
> ><OROBOYZ@aol.com>
> >Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 2:24 PM
> >Subject: [CR]Fake Hetchins controversy.
> >
> >
> >To all Hetchins lovers and lightweight enthusiasts in the CR Group.
> This
> >letter comes to me from a fellow cycling friend in the UK with
> regard to
> >"Fake" Hetchins. Included in the ad is the email address of these
> "fake"
> >makers as well as their phone number in the UK. I can only ask that
> we all
> >support David Miller in his efforts to get clear title to Hetchins
> >production and to put pressure on the other maker to cease
> production.
> >Please write by email or contact by any means these fake makers
> about your
> >opinions. Hopefully as a group we can help spread the word as far
> and wide
> >as possible. The address by email to contact the fakers is
> > >hetchins@sales.com< . To contact Andrew Moore about this issue,
> please
> >email
> >andrew.d.moore@btinternet.com.
> >Peter(Hetchinspete)Naiman
> >Boston, Mass
> >
> > >Attached is an advert from Omega Cycles with regards to what best
> can be
> > >discribed as a copy of the original and at worst a FAKE. The
> advert
> >seemes
> > >to be mistaken with regards to it's comment about being back, "to
> be back
> > >you first have to go" As we all know the geniune Hetchins has
> never
> > >stopped trading.
> > >
> > >I've passed the details to both David Millar and Flash
> > >
> > >Happy new year to you all
> > >regards
> > >Andrew Moore
> > >Wiltshire England