Re: [CR]Humorous "caveat emptor" story

Example: Racing:Roger de Vlaeminck

Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 23:30:42 -0500
From: Jerry & Liz Moos <>
To: Mark Bulgier <>
Subject: Re: [CR]Humorous "caveat emptor" story
References: <C102531FB711D411B5B90060B0A4687605E474@MAIL>

Just one correction - I think. All the Motobecane Grand Records I have seen, including mine, have black forks with a red epaulet and gold lining. The silver/black/gold color scheme appeared on the Grand Jubilee, but I'm not sure whether the Grand Jubilee had 531 forks (may have been only main tubes). If the GJ didn't have Reynolds forks, you may have a fork from a LeChampion, which very definitely was 531. I have a LeChampion frame and fork with exactly that color scheme. Of course, I was surprised last year to find a LeChampion in the Grand Record black/red/gold scheme, so who knows, maybe there are Grand Records out there in the colors typically used on Grand Jubilee.


Jerry Moos

Mark Bulgier wrote:
> I bought a '74 or so Raleigh Pro frame and fork - or is it? Those who want
> to see the picture before you hear the answer to the mystery, go to
> and think "What's wrong
> with this picture?"
> I'm a bit embarrassed that I didn't spot it in the store, but y'all will
> surely remember that Raleigh Pro frames of that vintage have
> internally-lugged fully-sloping crowns. I didn't notice the wrong crown
> 'til I got it home - then I quickly noticed the Reynolds fork decal was in
> French - then I noticed that dumb oversized, swaged-down steerer that came
> on Motobecane Gran Records of the same era.
> In my defense, the color match is uncanny. Silver metallic with black
> accents and gold pinstriping, chrome dropouts and halfway up the blades -
> and an externally lugged crown, which in a way matches the frame better than
> the original did. This is the original paint on both the frame and the
> fork; neither is resprayed to match the other. Motobecane and Raleigh just
> used the exact same color scheme!
> I got the F/F so cheaply that I'm not going to return it. I had a French
> stem and NR headset so I'll just put it together and ride it, and see if
> anyone spots the mismatch.
> Cutting the crown race seat to Campy dimension was made more difficult by
> aforementioned stupid swaged steerer. It's bigger than 1", so the pilot on
> Campy-style crown race mills (incl VAR, Park, etc) won't fit over it. Of
> course it's 25.0mm where it's threaded, and where it's inserted into the
> crown, the only places a fork might break, so the larger diameter part in
> the middle is just extra weight. The bottom isn't even butted; rather
> there's a cheezy extra piece of metal rammed up in there, which isn't even a
> tube - it's a "C"-shaped piece of bent-around sheetmetal that doesn't even
> reach all the way around to make an "O". I wonder how they justified
> putting the all Reynolds 531 decals on those Grand Records and Jubilees,
> with the obviously inferior steerer?
> As I said though, I'll just ride it anyway. I rode across the continent
> fully loaded in '76 on a '74 Grand Record, and lots of people have ridden
> them many miles without braking the steerer; but I needed to vent. There, I
> feel better now.


> Mark Bulgier