RE: Fight pickin' ... Re: [CR]Quiet again

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From: "Moos, Jerry" <>
To: 'Diane Feldman' <>,, "Steven L. Sheffield" <>
Subject: RE: Fight pickin' ... Re: [CR]Quiet again
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 08:33:15 -0400

Yes, Ray Etherton, who owns the Bates name, and sells (or doesn't sell, in some cases) the frames, confirmed at Cirque that Cooper builds the Bates for him. In fact, he suggested that Ron builds them personally, at least in part.


Jerry Moos

-----Original Message----- From: Diane Feldman [] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 11:29 PM To:; Steven L. Sheffield Cc: Subject: Re: Fight pickin' ... Re: [CR]Quiet again

According to an article last year in Cycling Plus, Cooper builds the reproduction Bates frames.

David FEldman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Baylis"
To: "Steven L. Sheffield"
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: Fight pickin' ... Re: [CR]Quiet again

> Steven,
> You may find this difficult to believe, but my sincere opinion on that
> matter would go with Ron Cooper. I previously owned (an regretably sold)
> two Ron Cooper bikes. One was a Nervex Pro lugged 1972 road frame that
> was exactly my size. The other was a costom built for me 47 cm track
> frame sized for 650c tires and made from Reynolds 653 tubing (that
> currently belongs to listmember Wes Oishi) which came unpainted. I put a
> really cool yellow and black paint job on it and it is a great bike.
> As Ray Etherton can confirm, we had a conversation at some point during
> the Cirque which centered around the topic of Ron Cooper as
> framebuilder. Ray like him quite a lot. I told Ray that I think Ron
> Cooper is the best English framebuilder I can think of. I have always
> liked that Cooper frames are "Italian in style" when many English frames
> aren't (not that there's anything wrong with that); it's just my
> preference. His caliber of construction is every bit the equal of Mario
> technically speaking; and he has displayed a wide varity of styles and
> abilities that I never saw from Mario. Of course Mario has a leg up as
> far as frame number go; no one can compete with that. Personally I would
> rather own a Mario built Italian Masi than a Confente; but I'd take
> either and would prefer to have both. But from a framebuilders
> perspective as a constructor, I see very little difference. Two expertly
> made brass brazed frames.
> Had the need for money not been present when the two lucky buyers were,
> I'd still own those two bikes. But then where would I put them? Amongst
> 13 OTHER track bikes and who knows how many road bikes? Maybe a Cooper
> built Hetchins vibrant/helenic track frame I should order; and what the
> heck, make that for 650c wheels and 49cm C-T.
> Ducking for cover now.
> Brian Baylis
> I'm not telling you where I live.
> >
> > > From: "Rick Chasteen" <>
> > >
> > > Somebody pick a fight or get Gilbert wound up or ask a Masi question.
> >
> > Okay ... I'll bite.
> >
> > Who is a better builder ... Ron Cooper or Mario Confente?
> >
> > --
> >
> > Steven L. Sheffield
> > stevens at veloworks dot com
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