Re: [CR]Early 70s Derosa on Ebay


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From: "Takao Noda" <tanoda@d1.dion.ne.jp>
To: "Classic Bike List" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
References: <20010531.130058.-197523.10.richardsachs@juno.com> <3B174180.92C83E15@earthlink.net> <000a01c0eaa5$4082ef00$5309ffd2@pcgxrgseries> <3B17B2F3.2B6FEB70@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]Early 70s Derosa on Ebay
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 02:18:14 +0900


I have just found 2 photos of Merckx's bikes made by DeRosa. The Molteni bike 1974 has traditional chainstays but the Fiat bike 1977 has the patented diamante chainstays. Both have short dropouts and non-engraved seatstay caps. Both have same press lugs but apparently the former has well-filed lugs. The both rear brake cables run on BB shell and chainstay .
    It seems Merckx did not allow to have seatstay caps engraved on the contrary to Moser.( I saw a Moser bike with a head decal of Moser's portrait for sale at a shop in Brianza. It had seatstay caps engraved DeRosa. ) But I imagine that if Ugo had the diamante stays in 1974, he could not help giving up using those stays on Merckx bike.
                          Takao Noda
                  Hachioji, Tokyo, Japan
                    tanoda@d1.dion.ne.jp


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Boral"
Cc: "Classic Bike List"
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: [CR]Early 70s Derosa on Ebay



> Once he posted the picture of rear wheel area, it looks (just barely
> because of poor picture) to have the 1010/A dropouts (long style). So
> my barometer for high end Italian bikes is, 1010/A = '74/5 and earlier,
> 1010/B = '75/6 and later.
>
> Marc Boral
>
>
>
> Takao Noda wrote:
>
> > I also think this DeRosa is not of early 1970s, circa 1973 but of
> > mid or late 1970s. For I had an old Italian friend who rode a
> > small but beautiful DeRosa which was made about 10 years before
> > 1983. He told me that when he was a child he was much faster than
> > Ugo. And he told me the frame was filed by Mr.Nagasawa. I don't
> > remember whether it had the heart engraved on the crown but do
> > remember it had no engraving on the seatstay caps. I think the
> > press lugs were filed a bit more beautifully than those on eBay
> > but were equally made small.
> > Takao Noda
> > Hachioji, Tokyo, Japan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Marc Boral" <mbikealive@earthlink.net>
> > Cc: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 4:17 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CR]Early 70s Derosa on Ebay
> >
> > > The seller posted some more pictures. I now feel more
> > confident of the
> > > vintage he claims. I find it interesting how that seatstay cap
> > and the
> > > diamante chainstays were incorporated that early on.
> > >
> > > Marc Boral
> > >
> > > Richard M Sachs wrote:
> > >
> > > > this derosa is of the period. dubois lugs. flat capped
> > > > seatstays. top of shell cable guides. pre-cpsc parts.
> > > > it passes the smell test, as far as i'm concerned.
> > > > e-RICHIE
> > > > http://www.richardsachs.com
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 31 May 2001 09:08:57 -0700 Marc Boral
> > <mbikealive@earthlink.net>
> > > > writes:
> > > > > Jeeeez, it always ceases to amaze me what parts people
> > forget to take
> > > > > pictures of. I would have liked to see the fork crown, bb
> > > > > shell, dropouts, chainstays, and other frame details. A
> > few things
> > > > > bother me about the accuracy of the claimed vintage: I
> > > > > believe the stem to be of a later vintage, and that seat
> > stay cap
> > > > > doesn't seem like one from '73. Anybody have a +/- '73 De
> > Rosa
> > > > > to corroborate these details?
> > > > >
> > > > > In his description he comments, "Also notice the unusual
> > > > > heart-shaped design of the derailleur." That's pretty
> > funny. He's
> > > > > either very naive (nothing wrong with that), or
> > deliberately trying
> > > > > to act naive, so as to avoid responsibility.
> > > > >
> > > > > Marc Boral
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > LouDeeter@aol.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > #1149026676
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Appears to be about 59-60cm to me. Nice pantographed
> > chainring,
> > > > > stem & seatpost. Too big for me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lou Deeter, Orlando "moving into the new home
> > today--hoping the 25
> > > > > bike boxes (with 10 bikes and wheels) survived the move!!!"