David: The best brake I've ever used was the "Super brake" which I guess was sort of a dual pivot. It was resurrected a few years ago by the original maker a few years ago, unfortunately it didn't go over very well and they are no longer available. Price was probanly it's downfall at about $300.00 for a full set with Modolo Pro levers. I can't remember the maker, as I should remember. He makes great brake pads and lives and manufactures in Idaho. I put the Super Brakes on a Vitus 979, the brakes were so strong the frames shivered when the brake were firmly applied. I had been told that these brakes would possibly damage very light racing rims like Mavic 280s. I'm not sure how true this is, but the brakes had to be removed from the 979. Of course the 979 is not the strongest frame ever made,I've heard it desribed as "wimpy". I'm building a NOS 979 for fun with all the litest parts available. Cooks crank with Campag SR rings, Vittoria titanium pedals (79 grams per pedal), American titanium stem, Look carbon seatpost, Mavic bullhorn bars, Flite carbon seat at 105 grams, CB magnesium brakeset(with absolutely no stopping power), and a Campag SR 24 bladed spoke NOS wheelset, titanium skewers, titanium seatpost binder and lots of SR bits. I may not be able to keep this bike on pavement. Peter Naiman Boston, Mass
>From: "feldman" <feldmanbike@yahoo.com>
>To: "garth libre" <rabbitman@mindspring.com>,
><classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: Re: [CR]originality vs rideability
>Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:01:49 -0800
>
>Dual pivots have nothing over any other brakes except for reduced effort
>needed at the lever, good for folks with small hands. A Mafac system will
>stop as well as any other and better than most when equipped with modern
>cables and pads.
>David FEldman
>Vancouver WA
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "garth libre" <rabbitman@mindspring.com>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 3:17 PM
>Subject: [CR]originality vs rideability
>
>
>I somewhat object to the notion that dual pivot brakes somehow stop faster
>than flexy old fashioned sidepulls or centerpulls. I believe that any brake
>is limited by the quality of the pads and the rim interface. I have not yet
>owned a bike that I could not cause to lockup either the front or the rear
>wheel. Locking up the front or even coming close will cause an over the
>bars
>accident, and locking up the rear is just a waste of good rubber and bad
>technique. I have never owned a dual pivot but I have ridden them, and can
>not remember being shocked by the short stopping distances over classic
>systems. I am sure that there is something good about dual pivots but I
>don't think it can be shortened braking distance. Garth Libre in Surfside
>Fl.
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