Re: [CR]Re: Eisentraut models


Example: Racing:Jacques Boyer

From: "J.Dunn" <bikehunter@icehouse.net>
To: "kevin gosney" <kevingosney10@hotmail.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, "DB" <db@home-work.com>
References: <F151wSif8evXjj1dfnm0001dc07@hotmail.com> <a05100337b86950f468e3@[63.46.191.64]>
Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Eisentraut models
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:40:43 -0900


"Buying an old bike is no bargin at any price. Any part of the bike may be ready to fail.

Albert Eisentraut"

Jeez, what an optimist. ;-) No bargain at any price?? This is, at least, the second well known and respected framebuilder that has expressed the opinion that collecting their work and putting a great value on an old bike, just because they made it, is rather foolish. Truth or false modesty, you think?

John Dunn in Boise, who has a lot of nice old bikes, not nearly as desirable as an Eisentraut, and doesn't think any of them is on the point of failure (he said, as the fork fell off ;-).


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From: DB
To: kevin gosney ;


<classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 6:32 PM Subject: [CR]Re: Eisentraut models


> I asked Mr. Eisentraut some similar questions a few months ago and I
> don't think he would mind me sharing his informative reply with the
> CR group (see below). Note the last couple of sentences. I had
> contacted him because I had questions on a used Limited that I had
> acquired. Watch out for those used bikes!
> -Dan Borden in cold, but dry Boston, MA
>
> To: db@home-work.com
> From: albert eisentraut <aae@majornet.com>
> Subject: Re: Older Frame Question
>
> "Limited were built between 1974 and 1976. Two models were built, road and
> touring, a total of about 1000 frames. More road frames were built. The
> road frame was designed for 5cm reach brakes and 120mm rear hubs. The
> frames cannot be used with current parts without modification. It is not
> worth modifing a 25 year old frame.
> All curent Signature frames are made for a particular individuals and there
> is no standard specifications although the majority are road frames that
> are designed to use current parts.
> I have always mixed different tubing brands. In 1975 I used Reynolds,
> Vitus and Columbus. For a 59cm frames, the top tube, fork blades and seat
> tube usually were.9-.6 wall. The down tube, seat stays and chainstays were
> 1-.7. I don't have records from that time that would be more
> specific. Buying an old bike is no bargin at any price. Any part of the
> bike may be ready to fail.
>
> Albert Eisentraut"
>
>
>
>
> At 2:38 AM +0000 1/15/02, kevin gosney wrote:
> >Gang,
> >
> >Kevin, "formerly residing in Latin America", Gosney is back on.
> >Got a question regarding frames from Albert Eisentraut. In the late
> >70's what where the differences between the "Model A' and "Model B"
> >frames . I've owned a "LIMITED" so understand that specification,
> >but am at a loss regarding tubing, geometry, lugs, and original
> >price differences between A & B.
> >Any help out there?
> >
> >Thanks, Cold but dry in Oregon
> >
> >Kevin
> >
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> >&gt;Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:33:37 -0800 (PST)
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> >&gt;From: roy roberts
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> >&gt;Subject: [CR]bicycle models legnano, bartalli, binda,
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> >&gt;Subject: [CR]Due to the great response, here are a few more for
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> >&gt;Here are a few brake sets that were destined for ebay but may be of use to
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> >&gt;Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:46:04 -0500
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> >&gt;Subject: [CR]New Depature 2 speed hub year/
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> >&gt;Anyone know what year New departure came out with 2 speed hub and top =
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> >&gt;Reply-To: "Questor"
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> >&gt;To: "classicrendezvous"
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> >&gt;Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:31:18 -0500
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> >&gt;Subject: [CR]Vintage Tire renewal &amp; restoration info needed
> >
> >&gt;
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> >&gt;Hello,
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> >&gt;
> >
> >&gt;I have obtained a late 70's Campy tubular LF wheel set that has original =
> >
> >&gt;Clement Criterium tires. The tires still hold air, but the casing is =
> >
> >&gt;apparently rubber coated that has discolored with age. =20
> >
> >&gt;
> >
> >&gt;Are there any suggestions on how I can clean up the discoloration =
> >
> >&gt;without damaging the tires casing or its original color? I may be =
> >
> >&gt;wrong, but it seems that current tubular tires do not have this problem =
> >
> >&gt;over time... could there have been a manufacturing change? =20
> >
> >&gt;
> >
> >&gt;What cleaner/preservative should I use in the future to make reasonably =
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> >&gt;sure this discoloration does not come back?
> >
> >&gt;
> >
> >&gt;Thanks, Steve Neago
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> >&gt;"Trying to see through the clouds in Cincinnati, OH"
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> >&gt;Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:31:02 -0500
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> >&gt;From:
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> >&gt;To: classicrendezvous
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> >&gt;Subject: [CR]CR jerseys?
> >
> >&gt;
> >
> >&gt;How is the tally on the CR jerseys coming along?
> >
> >&gt;
> >
> >&gt;Walt S
> >
> >&gt;Falls Creek, Pa
> >
> >&gt;
> >
> >&gt;
> >
> >&gt;Questor
> >wrote:
> >
> >&gt; &gt; Hello,
> >
> >&gt;
> >
> >&gt;I have obtained a late 70's Campy tubular LF wheel set that has
> >original Clement Criterium tires. The tires still hold air, but the
> >casing is apparently rubber coated that has discolored with age.
> >
> >&gt;
> >
> >&gt;Are there any suggestions on how I can clean up the
> >discoloration without damaging the tires casing or its original
> >color? I may be wrong, but it seems that current tubular tires do
> >not have this problem over time... could there have been a
> >manufacturing change?
> >
> >&gt;
> >
> >&gt;What cleaner/preservative should I use in the future to make
> >reasonably sure this discoloration does not come back?
> >
> >&gt;
> >
> >&gt;Thanks, Steve Neago
> >
> >&gt;"Trying to see through the clouds in Cincinnati, OH"
> >
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> >&gt;Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:35:28 -0500
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> >&gt;Subject: [CR]DNP components??
> >
> >&gt;
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> >&gt;
> >
> >&gt;What the heck are DNP components? I acquired a box of old Bike
> >JUNK from a guy and while coursing through this box I have come
> >across only a few usable items. There were some skewers, mostly
> >skewer pieces, a Suntour bar-con shifter (only one), many bits and
> >pieces of suntour derailleurs (enough to make one freaksish looking
> >but non working derailleur), a Celeste T.A. bottle cage, and the
> >only derailleurs not broken are these DNP derailleurs. They look
> >like expendable JUNK. Are they?
> >
> >&gt;
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> >&gt;Walt
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> >&gt;Falls Creek, Pa
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