RE: [CR]Re: Eisentraut models


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From: Mark Bulgier <mark@bulgier.net>
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: RE: [CR]Re: Eisentraut models
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:43:38 -0800


I heard that he was unhappy with the quality of the Limiteds (made by a crew of apprentices and journeymen), and so laid everyone off and went back to making them himself. (Probably at least somewhat oversimplified.) He may not have said so publicly, I may have heard it when I was at Santana in about '77 and we bought some framebuilding tools from him - Dynafiles and such - that he had no use for anymore. If he said so in a private conversation an expected it to be kept confidential, I apologize, but I figure the Statute of Limitations applies by now.

That the Limited didn't measure up to Albert's standards doesn't make it a bad frame - far from it. The ones I've seen were all quite nice. Albert is famously hard to please (which I admire him for), and I bet he'd agree, hard to work for.

But I think by asking him about Limiteds you may be dredging up a part of his career he's not completely happy about.

Mark Bulgier Seattle, Wa USA


> -----Original Message-----
> From: DB [mailto:db@home-work.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 7:33 PM
> To: kevin gosney; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Re: Eisentraut models
>
>
> I asked Mr. Eisentraut some similar questions a few months ago and I
> don't think he would mind me sharing his informative reply with the
> CR group (see below). Note the last couple of sentences. I had
> contacted him because I had questions on a used Limited that I had
> acquired. Watch out for those used bikes!
> -Dan Borden in cold, but dry Boston, MA
>
> To: db@home-work.com
> From: albert eisentraut <aae@majornet.com>
> Subject: Re: Older Frame Question
>
> "Limited were built between 1974 and 1976. Two models were
> built, road and
> touring, a total of about 1000 frames. More road frames were
> built. The
> road frame was designed for 5cm reach brakes and 120mm rear hubs. The
> frames cannot be used with current parts without
> modification. It is not
> worth modifing a 25 year old frame.
> All curent Signature frames are made for a particular
> individuals and there
> is no standard specifications although the majority are road
> frames that
> are designed to use current parts.
> I have always mixed different tubing brands. In 1975 I used Reynolds,
> Vitus and Columbus. For a 59cm frames, the top tube, fork
> blades and seat
> tube usually were.9-.6 wall. The down tube, seat stays and
> chainstays were
> 1-.7. I don't have records from that time that would be more
> specific. Buying an old bike is no bargin at any price. Any
> part of the
> bike may be ready to fail.
>
> Albert Eisentraut"
>
>
>
>
> At 2:38 AM +0000 1/15/02, kevin gosney wrote:
> >Gang,
> >
> >Kevin, "formerly residing in Latin America", Gosney is back on.
> >Got a question regarding frames from Albert Eisentraut. In the late
> >70's what where the differences between the "Model A' and "Model B"
> >frames . I've owned a "LIMITED" so understand that specification,
> >but am at a loss regarding tubing, geometry, lugs, and original
> >price differences between A & B.
> >Any help out there?
> >
> >Thanks, Cold but dry in Oregon
> >
> >Kevin
> >
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> >&gt;Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:46:04 -0500
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> >&gt;Subject: [CR]New Depature 2 speed hub year/
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> >&gt;Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:31:18 -0500
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> >&gt;Subject: [CR]Vintage Tire renewal &amp; restoration info needed
> >
> >&gt;
> >
> >&gt;Hello,
> >
> >&gt;
> >
> >&gt;I have obtained a late 70's Campy tubular LF wheel set
> that has original =
> >
> >&gt;Clement Criterium tires. The tires still hold air, but
> the casing is =
> >
> >&gt;apparently rubber coated that has discolored with age. =20
> >
> >&gt;
> >
> >&gt;Are there any suggestions on how I can clean up the
> discoloration =
> >
> >&gt;without damaging the tires casing or its original color?
> I may be =
> >
> >&gt;wrong, but it seems that current tubular tires do not
> have this problem =
> >
> >&gt;over time... could there have been a manufacturing change? =20
> >
> >&gt;
> >
> >&gt;What cleaner/preservative should I use in the future to
> make reasonably =
> >
> >&gt;sure this discoloration does not come back?
> >
> >&gt;
> >
> >&gt;Thanks, Steve Neago
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> >&gt;"Trying to see through the clouds in Cincinnati, OH"
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> >&gt;Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:31:02 -0500
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> >&gt;To: classicrendezvous
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> >&gt;Subject: [CR]CR jerseys?
> >
> >&gt;
> >
> >&gt;How is the tally on the CR jerseys coming along?
> >
> >&gt;
> >
> >&gt;Walt S
> >
> >&gt;Falls Creek, Pa
> >
> >&gt;
> >
> >&gt;
> >
> >&gt;Questor
> >wrote:
> >
> >&gt; &gt; Hello,
> >
> >&gt;
> >
> >&gt;I have obtained a late 70's Campy tubular LF wheel set that has
> >original Clement Criterium tires. The tires still hold air, but the
> >casing is apparently rubber coated that has discolored with age.
> >
> >&gt;
> >
> >&gt;Are there any suggestions on how I can clean up the
> >discoloration without damaging the tires casing or its original
> >color? I may be wrong, but it seems that current tubular tires do
> >not have this problem over time... could there have been a
> >manufacturing change?
> >
> >&gt;
> >
> >&gt;What cleaner/preservative should I use in the future to make
> >reasonably sure this discoloration does not come back?
> >
> >&gt;
> >
> >&gt;Thanks, Steve Neago
> >
> >&gt;"Trying to see through the clouds in Cincinnati, OH"
> >
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> >&gt;Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:35:28 -0500
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> >&gt;Subject: [CR]DNP components??
> >
> >&gt;
> >
> >&gt;
> >
> >&gt;What the heck are DNP components? I acquired a box of old Bike
> >JUNK from a guy and while coursing through this box I have come
> >across only a few usable items. There were some skewers, mostly
> >skewer pieces, a Suntour bar-con shifter (only one), many bits and
> >pieces of suntour derailleurs (enough to make one freaksish looking
> >but non working derailleur), a Celeste T.A. bottle cage, and the
> >only derailleurs not broken are these DNP derailleurs. They look
> >like expendable JUNK. Are they?
> >
> >&gt;
> >
> >&gt;Walt
> >
> >&gt;Falls Creek, Pa
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