Re: [CR]Re: Eisentraut models


Example: Framebuilders:Chris Pauley

From: "Jerry & Liz Moos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
To: "J.Dunn" <bikehunter@icehouse.net>, "kevin gosney" <kevingosney10@hotmail.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, "DB" <db@home-work.com>
References: <F151wSif8evXjj1dfnm0001dc07@hotmail.com> <a05100337b86950f468e3@[63.46.191.64]> <034701c19d87$2dc7d020$461bfea9@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Eisentraut models
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:01:11 -0600


It has been noted here before that Albert Eisentraut is remarkably unsentimental about his old frames.

Regards,

Jerry Moos


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From: "J.Dunn"
To: "kevin gosney" ;


<classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>; "DB" <db@home-work.com> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Eisentraut models


> "Buying an old bike is no bargin at any price. Any part of the
> bike may be ready to fail.
>
> Albert Eisentraut"
>
> Jeez, what an optimist. ;-) No bargain at any price?? This is, at least,
> the second well known and respected framebuilder that has expressed the
> opinion that collecting their work and putting a great value on an old bike,
> just because they made it, is rather foolish. Truth or false modesty, you
> think?
>
> John Dunn in Boise, who has a lot of nice old bikes, not nearly as desirable
> as an Eisentraut, and doesn't think any of them is on the point of failure
> (he said, as the fork fell off ;-).
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: DB <db@home-work.com>
> To: kevin gosney <kevingosney10@hotmail.com>;
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 6:32 PM
> Subject: [CR]Re: Eisentraut models
>
>
> > I asked Mr. Eisentraut some similar questions a few months ago and I
> > don't think he would mind me sharing his informative reply with the
> > CR group (see below). Note the last couple of sentences. I had
> > contacted him because I had questions on a used Limited that I had
> > acquired. Watch out for those used bikes!
> > -Dan Borden in cold, but dry Boston, MA
> >
> > To: db@home-work.com
> > From: albert eisentraut <aae@majornet.com>
> > Subject: Re: Older Frame Question
> >
> > "Limited were built between 1974 and 1976. Two models were built, road
> and
> > touring, a total of about 1000 frames. More road frames were built. The
> > road frame was designed for 5cm reach brakes and 120mm rear hubs. The
> > frames cannot be used with current parts without modification. It is not
> > worth modifing a 25 year old frame.
> > All curent Signature frames are made for a particular individuals and
> there
> > is no standard specifications although the majority are road frames that
> > are designed to use current parts.
> > I have always mixed different tubing brands. In 1975 I used Reynolds,
> > Vitus and Columbus. For a 59cm frames, the top tube, fork blades and seat
> > tube usually were.9-.6 wall. The down tube, seat stays and chainstays were
> > 1-.7. I don't have records from that time that would be more
> > specific. Buying an old bike is no bargin at any price. Any part of the
> > bike may be ready to fail.
> >
> > Albert Eisentraut"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 2:38 AM +0000 1/15/02, kevin gosney wrote:
> > >Gang,
> > >
> > >Kevin, "formerly residing in Latin America", Gosney is back on.
> > >Got a question regarding frames from Albert Eisentraut. In the late
> > >70's what where the differences between the "Model A' and "Model B"
> > >frames . I've owned a "LIMITED" so understand that specification,
> > >but am at a loss regarding tubing, geometry, lugs, and original
> > >price differences between A & B.
> > >Any help out there?
> > >
> > >Thanks, Cold but dry in Oregon
> > >
> > >Kevin
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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> > >&gt; 3. New Depature 2 speed hub year/ (Phil)
> > >
> > >&gt; 4. FS bicycle models cont'd (roy roberts)
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> > >&gt; 6. CR jerseys? (wspokes@penn.com)
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> > >&gt;Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:33:37 -0800 (PST)
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> > >&gt;From: roy roberts
> > >
> > >
> > >&gt;To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > >
> > >&gt;Subject: [CR]bicycle models legnano, bartalli, binda,
> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >&gt;Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:57:37 EST
> > >
> > >&gt;To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > >
> > >&gt;Subject: [CR]Due to the great response, here are a few more for
> > >sale items!
> > >
> > >&gt;
> > >
> > >&gt;Here are a few brake sets that were destined for ebay but may be of
> use to
> > >
> > >&gt;you guys (and gals) out there?
> > >
> > >&gt;
> > >
> > >&gt;NOS, boxed. Weinmanns finest 400 brakeset, complete with levers,
> > >gum hoods,
> > >
> > >&gt;cables and cable clips. callipers are anodised black. Nut fitting.
> $70
> > >
> > >&gt;
> > >
> > >&gt;NOS, boxed, weinmann 405, again levers, hoods cables, no cable clips.
> nut
> > >
> > >&gt;fitting. $50
> > >
> > >&gt;
> > >
> > >&gt;(Are these old enough for the list?) Shimano 600 ax Callipers
> > >and levers. The
> > >
> > >&gt;aero centre pull type. These are used, but the callipers are in good
> > >
> > >&gt;condition, with virtually no wear on the pads. I have no idea
> > >where you would
> > >
> > >&gt;get new pads, perhaps you could ask the mechanics at UPS! The
> > >levers are not
> > >
> > >&gt;very good and the hoods are poor. $40
> > >
> > >&gt;
> > >
> > >&gt;NOS D.A.M Wooden sprint rims, made in Milan, 36 hole. still in their
> > >
> > >&gt;wrappings. $150
> > >
> > >&gt;
> > >
> > >&gt;TA Cyclo cross chainring with guards, 5 pin fitting, NOS, 46
> > >tooth. These are
> > >
> > >&gt;really nice on a single gear town bike as well. Hard to find. $35
> > >
> > >&gt;
> > >
> > >&gt;Campag, band on Gran turisimo gear shifter. NOS. The funny
> > >looking one with
> > >
> > >&gt;the big disk. $10
> > >
> > >&gt;
> > >
> > >&gt;NOS Cotton Bonk bags (Mussettes), Red, or Blue with rainbow bands or
> White
> > >
> > >&gt;with rainbow bands. $10 including airmail to the US. Good quality.
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> > >&gt;Regards
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> > >&gt;Martin Coopland
> > >
> > >&gt;
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> > >&gt;--__--__--
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> > >&gt;
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> > >&gt;Message: 3
> > >
> > >&gt;From: "Phil"
> > >
> > >
> > >&gt;To:
> > >
> > >
> > >&gt;Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:46:04 -0500
> > >
> > >&gt;Subject: [CR]New Depature 2 speed hub year/
> > >
> > >&gt;
> > >
> > >&gt;Anyone know what year New departure came out with 2 speed hub and top
> =
> > >
> > >&gt;tube shifter!
> > >
> > >&gt;Phil Scott
> > >
> > >&gt;Boring Ohio
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> > >&gt;Message: 4
> > >
> > >&gt;Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:39:49 -0800 (PST)
> > >
> > >&gt;From: roy roberts
> > >
> > >
> > >&gt;To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > >
> > >&gt;Subject: [CR]FS bicycle models cont'd
> > >
> > >&gt;
> > >
> > >&gt;Please note the price includes shipping.
> > >
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> > >&gt;Message: 5
> > >
> > >&gt;Reply-To: "Questor"
> > >
> > >
> > >&gt;From: "Questor"
> > >
> > >
> > >&gt;To: "classicrendezvous"
> > >
> > >
> > >&gt;Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:31:18 -0500
> > >
> > >&gt;Subject: [CR]Vintage Tire renewal &amp; restoration info needed
> > >
> > >&gt;
> > >
> > >&gt;Hello,
> > >
> > >&gt;
> > >
> > >&gt;I have obtained a late 70's Campy tubular LF wheel set that has
> original =
> > >
> > >&gt;Clement Criterium tires. The tires still hold air, but the casing is
> =
> > >
> > >&gt;apparently rubber coated that has discolored with age. =20
> > >
> > >&gt;
> > >
> > >&gt;Are there any suggestions on how I can clean up the discoloration =
> > >
> > >&gt;without damaging the tires casing or its original color? I may be =
> > >
> > >&gt;wrong, but it seems that current tubular tires do not have this
> problem =
> > >
> > >&gt;over time... could there have been a manufacturing change? =20
> > >
> > >&gt;
> > >
> > >&gt;What cleaner/preservative should I use in the future to make
> reasonably =
> > >
> > >&gt;sure this discoloration does not come back?
> > >
> > >&gt;
> > >
> > >&gt;Thanks, Steve Neago
> > >
> > >&gt;"Trying to see through the clouds in Cincinnati, OH"
> > >
> > >&gt;
> > >
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> > >&gt;Message: 6
> > >
> > >&gt;Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:31:02 -0500
> > >
> > >&gt;From:
> > >
> > >
> > >&gt;To: classicrendezvous
> > >
> > >
> > >&gt;Subject: [CR]CR jerseys?
> > >
> > >&gt;
> > >
> > >&gt;How is the tally on the CR jerseys coming along?
> > >
> > >&gt;
> > >
> > >&gt;Walt S
> > >
> > >&gt;Falls Creek, Pa
> > >
> > >&gt;
> > >
> > >&gt;
> > >
> > >&gt;Questor
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >&gt; &gt; Hello,
> > >
> > >&gt;
> > >
> > >&gt;I have obtained a late 70's Campy tubular LF wheel set that has
> > >original Clement Criterium tires. The tires still hold air, but the
> > >casing is apparently rubber coated that has discolored with age.
> > >
> > >&gt;
> > >
> > >&gt;Are there any suggestions on how I can clean up the
> > >discoloration without damaging the tires casing or its original
> > >color? I may be wrong, but it seems that current tubular tires do
> > >not have this problem over time... could there have been a
> > >manufacturing change?
> > >
> > >&gt;
> > >
> > >&gt;What cleaner/preservative should I use in the future to make
> > >reasonably sure this discoloration does not come back?
> > >
> > >&gt;
> > >
> > >&gt;Thanks, Steve Neago
> > >
> > >&gt;"Trying to see through the clouds in Cincinnati, OH"
> > >
> > >&gt;
> > >
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> > >&gt;Message: 7
> > >
> > >&gt;Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:35:28 -0500
> > >
> > >&gt;From:
> > >
> > >
> > >&gt;To: classicrendezvous
> > >
> > >
> > >&gt;Subject: [CR]DNP components??
> > >
> > >&gt;
> > >
> > >&gt;
> > >
> > >&gt;What the heck are DNP components? I acquired a box of old Bike
> > >JUNK from a guy and while coursing through this box I have come
> > >across only a few usable items. There were some skewers, mostly
> > >skewer pieces, a Suntour bar-con shifter (only one), many bits and
> > >pieces of suntour derailleurs (enough to make one freaksish looking
> > >but non working derailleur), a Celeste T.A. bottle cage, and the
> > >only derailleurs not broken are these DNP derailleurs. They look
> > >like expendable JUNK. Are they?
> > >
> > >&gt;
> > >
> > >&gt;Walt
> > >
> > >&gt;Falls Creek, Pa
> > >
> > >&gt;
> > >
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