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> I've seen the Challenger tires here in Singapore as well. According to the
> LBS they are made by a new setup in Thailand, not the guys making Vittorias.
I can't seem to remember the name of the company (Foxnall?), but I believe the guy was previously connected with the Vittoria/Clement operation in Thailand. I think somehow he ended up having the rights to the Clement tire names, but not the actual designs.