Re: [CR]Re: drilled Nuovo Record headset

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To: tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com
Cc: GPVB1@cs.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:55:35 -0500
Subject: Re: [CR]Re: drilled Nuovo Record headset
From: "Richard M Sachs" <richardsachs@juno.com>


i looked through the campagnolo price lists that were issued to me straight from vincenza. they were/are from the early 70s to the mid 80s. i wanted to see what they call the line items that we are discussing here. i wanted to see if there were discrepencies between what the catalog called an item and what the billing department thought of it as. what i found was this: as late as the early 80s, all nuovo record groups 'consisted of' all 'record' designated parts with the exception of the rear derailleur and the rifled bb assembly. these two items were called 'nuovo record'. so, at least through the early 80s, there were only two 'real' nuovo record' parts. the rest were 'record'. buying all the components of a group with the two NR parts made the group a 'nuovo record' group.

just to doublecheck this, i went into the room where i keep all the things i hoard, (uh, collect...), and noticed only two items come in boxes marked 'nuovo record'. you guessed it. the rear derailleurs and the rifled bb's.

so, i suppose 'nuovo record' referred to a 'group', rather than some/all of the individual parts, because some of them WERE NOT 'nuovo record'. e-RICHIE i gotta get a life

On Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:08:27 -0800 (PST) Tom Dalton <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> I've never seen a headset exactly like this one either - that
> doesn't mean it's not from late in the Production run, though, does
> it?
>
> No, it really doesn't. But, I think it is a specially-made Campy
> rarity, not just some feature that was added right at the end. Like
> I said, why would they add a weight shedding (nominally)
> manufacturing step to a headset that was on the way out and for
> which there was already an alloy alternative? If some other later
> headset used the drilled cups, then it would be par for the course
> for Campy to use them at the end of the NR era, but such is not the
> case. Since you and I and many other CR types were Campy freaks at
> the end of the NR era, isn't it likely that someone would have seen
> such a headest if it was standard final production?
>
> Bottom line - the Record headset wasn't referred to as Nuovo Record
> until very late in the Production run (if ever officially) - see
> Chuck's Campy Timeline and Campy's catalogs. If you don't believe
> me, you may want to get Chuck's opinion.
>
> I don't think the steel headset was ever called NR, and I tried to
> be careful not to call it that in my earlier posts. That's actually
> part of why I think it is old. As I said in my original post, it
> could be that this drilled version is the only actual NR headset and
> the sticker was added to the Record box to make it known that this
> was the new, upgraded model. Mt theory is that it came out in the
> early NR / SL era as an upgrade to the already-available Record.
>
> Not sure what you mean about a light color box - Record parts came
> in white boxes (very early) and yellowish (later). Is there a third
> box color?
>
> I have some earlier boxes that have line drawings (of pedals and
> hubs) on them and the background is a much paler yellow than all my
> newer NR boxes which are pretty bright yellow.
>
> If the parts in that box on eBay have been together since being
> stuffed into it at Vicenza, it is a very late headset. Seeing the
> fork crown race would help settle this (betcha it's either a late
> Record or a Triomphe).
>
> If that plastic part is original it is definitely a new headset. If
> it has the <C> on the lower cup it is old. If it has a Triophe
> crown race it is new, new. If it has a new Record crown race??? I
> don't know. I didn't know there was more than one type. I do have
> a race that was sold to me as Record that is unmarked. Is that a
> really old one? All the other Record crown races I've seen are
> marked where they meet the fork.
>
> First Record parts were the crankset and hubs in 1958 (between
> Catalogs #13 & 14).
>
> First NR items were the alloy rear der. and rifled-cup BB in 1967
> (Catalog #15).
>
> First SR parts were the entire road and track gruppos in 1974
> (Catalog #17).
>
> Right, so it was only seven years after NR that SR was intro'd and
> it was another ten years before we get to what you and I would call
> late NR. My point was that the other guy called all post-SR NR
> stuff late production. That makes a lot of the pre-CPSC stuff "late
> production".
>
> Record headset also debuted in 1967. Catalog 17a (1975) still refers
> to it as Record, part of the Nuovo Record group. Ditto for the 1982
> Olympic Catalog. Can't locate my #18 or #18bis catalogs quickly
> right now, but I'd wager the headset is still referred to as
> "Record" therein.
>
> Other than the rear der, the post, and the BB, I don't think there
> are any NR parts. Some of the stuff may have been marked NR toward
> the end, but none of it was changed from the item previously called
> Record. Campy throws arond the Nuovo word pretty freely, since it
> is such a common Italian word, which often confuses people.
>
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