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From: "Jim McCoin" <j.mccoin@attbi.com>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
References: <CATFOOD5B76WE7P5IEE00004e7f@catfood.nt.phred.org>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 06:49:26 -0800
Subject: [CR]Re: Classicrendezvous digest, Vol 1 #1211 - 16 msgs

Greetings , I would like to thank the half dozen or so list members who helped me with my rim glue question , sometimes Im still living in the 60's and expect things to work the way they did then ,when the glue dries out then you just scrape it off . Iv just got back to riding tubulars .
Thanks again
Jim McCoin
Fremont Ca.


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> 1. A British made Colnago?? (ttruong)
> 2. Re: was Introduction Faux Pas, now Bianchi road fixer (Wolfman231@aol.com)
> 3. Re: restoring Raleigh Lenton Sport (Charles Beyer)
> 4. Re: Campagnolo Ramblings (swampmtn)
> 5. wing nuts and torque (Edward B. Feinberg, MD, MPH)
> 6. Re: wing nuts and torque (RaleighPro531@aol.com)
> 7. Re: A British made Colnago? <<No, Lower-end 70s French Contraption (Bikerdaver@aol.com)
> 8. Re: Originality (Bikerdaver@aol.com)
> 9. Re: wing nuts and torque (Chuck Schmidt)
> 10. Re: Import Tariff (Jerry & Liz Moos)
> 11. Re: RE: Innovative of Goofy link (Richard M Sachs)
> 12. Re: A British made Colnago?? (NortonMarg@aol.com)
> 13. Re: Campagnolo Ramblings (Fred Rafael Rednor)
> 14. Re: Campagnolo Ramblings (Takao Noda)
> 15. TA bb cup question... (joel metz, ifbma/sfbma)
> 16. white latex (Jim McCoin)
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 1
> From: "ttruong" <ttruong0@attbi.com>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 12:16:56 -0800
> Subject: [CR]A British made Colnago??
>
> I might be wrong but having looked at enough colnagos to know that this =
> ain't it. But it is interesting that it seems to have a lot of British =
> attributes.=20
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
>
> Tom
> Dublin,Ca
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 2
> From: Wolfman231@aol.com
> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 16:06:23 EST
> Subject: Re: [CR] was Introduction Faux Pas, now Bianchi road fixer
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> In a message dated 3/30/02 2:12:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> ojv@earthlink.net writes:
>
> <<
> I prefer road geometry for a road fixer, I like the smoother ride of the
> longer chainstays and the more relaxed geometry. 17-inch chainstays,
> 72-degree HTA, 50mm of offset, and 60mm of BB drop is where it's at for me
> on a road fixer. There are no flat rides here so if I'm going to suffer, I
> might as well be comfortable.
> >>
>
> I agree with Don, but probably because I don't have a track background; my
> racing days were spent back in Connecticut, and, if memory serves, the
> districts were held at Trexlertown. I envy and admire you guys (and gals)
> with track racing experience and the requisite bike handling skills. I just
> want to say to anyone on the list who hasn't ridden a fixed-gear, just do it.
> Don't worry about the nutted versus QR hub debate or the track versus road
> frame debate. My fixed gear bike is a Dawes 531db sport-touring model, 1980
> vintage, with eyelets for my fenders, 26c tires, and still enough front wheel
> clearance to wear booties on my big feet. Riding it is the ultimate Classic
> Rendezvous! I did 40 miles on it yesterday in typical Midwest winds and it
> kicked my butt.
> As an aside, congrats to Richard Sachs on his recognition in Bicycling...a
> full page shot of his gorgeous work. I raced against Richard back in the
> 80s...actually I think I may have ridden over him (or one of his team)
> following a crash (I think it was at one of the Walnut Hill races in New
> Britain)? If it was you, sorry Richard...George Orr said it was probably not
> a good idea to apologize at the time. <wink> Anyway, the fact that the man
> still holds a cat 2 license and still demonstrates such a passion for his
> work makes him a true Artisan in my book.
> -Ed Kasper
> "lucky to hang tough in Citizens' Races"
> Detroit MI
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> From: "Charles Beyer" <biniou@peoplepc.com>
> To: <WTrikerider@cs.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]restoring Raleigh Lenton Sport
> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 16:56:43 -0500
>
> Paul:
>
> The Lenton Sport was more likely than not fitted with a number of
> Raleigh-made components, including headset (clip-type), front hub, and stem
> (which would not have an expander bolt). Raleigh chromed-steel brake
> calipers would probably have been original, but an upgrade to GBs wouldn't
> be out of character. My 1947 Lenton Sport has all Raleigh parts, including
> quill pedals with the heron, and "R" wingnuts. Probably S-A AM hub. Oh,
> and it must have Bluemels mudguards!
>
> Chris Beyer
> Bloomfield, NJ USA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <WTrikerider@cs.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 12:08 AM
> Subject: [CR]restoring Raleigh Lenton Sport
>
>
> > Now that I have railed on about using old, original parts, I have
> > another question. I have a '51 Raleigh Lenton Sport frameset with a
> cottered
> > steel crankset to build up. I will use a SA hub on the rear. What are
> some
> > suggestions for good brakes, handlebars, stem, front hub, etc. that would
> at
> > least be in character for a bike of this period? This bike will be ridden
> > some so practicality is an issue too.
> >
> > Paul Patzkowsky Longmont, Colorado
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> From: "swampmtn" <swampmtn@siscom.net>
> To: <nickzz@mindspring.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Campagnolo Ramblings
> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 17:00:37 -0500
>
> Actually... "il disco" refers to a music record (a.k.a. "wax disc"), or
> "fonografico".
>
> The word for which you are searching is "primato" as in "championship".
>
> "Primato Nuovo" sounds pretty good too, but I believe "record" is one of
> those words recognized as "commonly used foreign word " in Italy.
>
> Even the word arrangement isn't correct for Italian... it should be "Record
> Nuovo" and "Record Super"
>
> Aldo Ross
> Monroe, Ohio
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <nickzz@mindspring.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 1:14 PM
> Subject: [CR]Campagnolo Ramblings
>
>
> > Why the proliferation of English names used for Campagnolo equipment?
> > Examples: Nuovo Record[According to an Italian/English translation
> website.the word Record translates to 'il disco.'It's not always 100%
> accurate but that's the translation.]
> > Super Record - Didn't need to waste my time looking for an ENGLISH
> translation.
> > Those are just a few.
> > Anybody know why?
> >
> > Nick"I'm bored & its supposed to be raining all weekend"Zatezalo
> > Atlanta,Ga.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 5
> From: "Edward B. Feinberg, MD, MPH" <ebfeinberg@attbi.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 18:36:30 -0500
> Subject: [CR]wing nuts and torque
>
> Carlo Carr wrote in CR #1209:
>
> Are wingnuts appropriate for track nuts? Isn't there a serious reason to
> not
> > do this? I cannot recall what it might be. Could be some sort of CPSU
> > admonition. I seem to recall seeing these in the early 70s on track bikes.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Charles "Carlo" Carr
> > New Orleans, Louisiana
>
> I Replied:
>
> The lever arm moment on wing nuts is less than an inch. With track nuts and
> a "peanut butter wrench" it is about 6 or 7 inches. I would worry that I
> could not torque down the wing nuts adequately.
>
> Ed Feinberg
> Newton, MA
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 6
> From: RaleighPro531@aol.com
> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 18:50:40 EST
> Subject: Re: [CR]wing nuts and torque
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> In a message dated 3/30/2002 6:35:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> ebfeinberg@attbi.com writes:
>
>
> > The lever arm moment on wing nuts is less than an inch. With track nuts and
> > a "peanut butter wrench" it is about 6 or 7 inches. I would worry that I
> > could not torque down the wing nuts adequately.
>
>
> I don't think I've ever tightened down wingnuts on something that needed to
> be really tight without resorting to an adjustable wrench!
>
> Pete Geurds
> Douglassville, PA
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 7
> From: Bikerdaver@aol.com
> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 19:02:11 EST
> Subject: Re: [CR]A British made Colnago? <<No, Lower-end 70s French Contraption
> To: ttruong0@attbi.com, Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> Tom-
> I agree with you, that bike is Definately Not a Colnago. The seat-tube decal
> is lop-sided, and I would place my bets that it is a "re-decaled" Lower-end
> 70s French Contraption, maybe Stella, Gitane, Vista, etc. Assuming at least
> some of the components are original, check out the rear drop-outs. They are
> some very nice Simplex "filagree" models. As far as I can tell, thats the
> bike's only saving grace--apologies ahead of the time to my franco-phile
> brethern.
> Dave Anderson
> Cut Bank MT
>
> In a message dated 3/30/02 12:17:56 PM PST, ttruong0@attbi.com writes:
> > I might be wrong but having looked at enough colnagos to know that this
> > ain't it. But it is interesting that it seems to have a lot of British
> > attributes.
> > http://ebay.com/<blah>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 8
> From: Bikerdaver@aol.com
> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 19:17:41 EST
> Subject: Re: [CR]Originality
> To: StuartMX4@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> In a message dated 3/30/02 2:09:32 AM PST, StuartMX4@aol.com writes:
> > Getting off list and writing about cars only confuses the issue. I doubt if
> > anyone these days seriously races a classic Ferrari unless they have the
> > dosh
> > for a new crank, rods, pistons, valves, camshafts and so on. There are
> > plenty
> > of Paddy's Knife vintage cars which are racing actively and are one hundred
> >
> > percent original except for rebuilt body to replace the one which rotted
> > and
> > rusted, new block and head, new chassis side members, new radiator because
> > the old one got stuffed into the Silverstone Armco and so on. Where does
> > that
> > leave bicycles?
> The patina of an unrestored 1950 Gillot and the fact that it was made>
> > where it was, when it was and by whom is of immense value, but half
> > a century is half a century. Things wear out! The number of mid twentieth
> > century bikes in original condition must diminish. Carefully cocooning them
> >
> > would preserve them as artifacts but not as bicycles. A Ferrari racing car
> > which does not race is arguably not a racing car at all and an unridden
> > bike
> > is just an interesting collection of tubes to block a gap in a hedge. You
> > repaint if you have to, replace worn out bits when you can and let someone
> > else have it if you are not going to use it.
> Paintings are for looking at; > cars and cycles are for use...even if
> > originality
> that means slips. I > think that the issue is confused in Classic
> > Rendezvous
> exchanges by the fact that most of the bikes discussed are comparatively>
> > new. If I am still alive in the year 2030, write in and confirm that you
> > still have
> > such purist ideas on unsullied originality. As it is, our love for
> > originality is being
> > exploited by some dealers who buy very very cheap and sell very very dear.
> > Laugh at high reserves on e-bay and keep your money in your pocket. If you
> > are good at maths, work out how many hours you had to work to buy a new
> > Sturmey hub in 1938 and then how many you have to work to buy the same now
> > with sixty odd years of wear. Stop fretting about repro rubber and start
> > getting annoyed about exploitation.
> > Stuart Tallack just down the road from classic Goodwood
> >
> Stuart-
> I think you have a good point there. Cheers,
> Dave Anderson
> Cut Bank MT
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 18:29:26 -0800
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]wing nuts and torque
>
> Ed. Feinberg wrote:
> >
> > Carlo Carr wrote in CR #1209:
> >
> > Are wingnuts appropriate for track nuts? Isn't there a serious reason to
> > not
> > > do this? I cannot recall what it might be. Could be some sort of CPSU
> > > admonition. I seem to recall seeing these in the early 70s on track bikes.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Charles "Carlo" Carr
> > > New Orleans, Louisiana
> >
> > I Replied:
> >
> > The lever arm moment on wing nuts is less than an inch. With track nuts and
> > a "peanut butter wrench" it is about 6 or 7 inches. I would worry that I
> > could not torque down the wing nuts adequately.
> >
> > Ed Feinberg
> > Newton, MA
>
>
> You don't have to get wingnuts very tight to hold the axle if you use a
> chain tension adjuster (kind of a banjo looking device) on the drive
> side. I've never had a problem with slipage.
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> Soouth Pasadena, Southern California
> three and a half hour fixed ride today...
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 10
> From: "Jerry & Liz Moos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Import Tariff
> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 20:50:09 -0600
>
> Thought I'd update the list on a thread I started a couple of months ago. I
> had complained that DHL tried to collect 11% import tariff on a Richard Kent
> built Arthur Caygill frame, which was excessive in my opinion. After a
> second bill from DHL, I called them. I had checked out the US Customs
> Service database at:
>
> http://dataweb.usitc.gov/scripts/tariff2001.asp
>
> According to this, the frame should have been assessed 3.9% (forks are at 0%
> for no obvious reason). There were also lights and dynamo, which are at
> 0% - I guess the Feds want to encourage safe night riding. The custom racks
> didn't fit any specific category, so I had to concede they were "other"
> parts at 10%. I wrote down the Customs Service category code I thought each
> item on the invoice fit into, and calculated the total I thought was the
> actual amount due, including the not-unreasonable $5 broker fee DHL was
> seeking. The total was $56 versus the $134 DHL was seeking.
> I had a frustrating time dealing with phone answering systems and DHL
> employee voice mails, but when I finally was able to talk to a real person,
> I laid out the invoice items, the Customs Service category code I thought
> applied to each, the corresponding tariff rates, and the total I thought I
> owed. She really didn't argue at all, adjusted the invoice to what I
> suggested, and I sent a check for the reduced amount. It seems DHL had
> simply declared the shipment at the 11% complete bike rate because that was
> the easy thing for them to do. When challenged with the facts, they did not
> argue.
>
> The moral is, if you get hit with a high tariff, check the Customs Service
> web site, get the facts straight, and challenge any duty you think is
> incorrect. Also note, the tariffs speak of a complete bike "with both
> wheels" at 11%, while frames are 3.9%, so if you are buying an expensive
> frame, you'll be better off not buying wheels from the same source in the
> same shipment. If ordering parts with traiffs much less than 11%,
> especially lighting equipment which is not taxed, try to be sure the invoice
> clearly lists these as line items.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Houston, "tornados here this evening" TX
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 11
> To: jcole@memphis.edu
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 18:32:15 -0500
> Subject: Re: [CR]RE: Innovative of Goofy link
> From: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com>
>
> signor tempesta was the original builder of
> guerciotti frames. he's the uncle of paolo
> and italo guerciotti.
> e-RICHIE
> in monmouth county
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, 30 Mar 2002 09:22:45 -0600 <jcole@memphis.edu> writes:
> > Sorry...here's the correct link to that strange Campy shifter
> > arrangement:
> >
> > http://ebay.com/<blah>
> >
> > Jim Cole
> > Memphis, TN
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 12
> From: NortonMarg@aol.com
> Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 00:09:28 EST
> Subject: Re: [CR]A British made Colnago??
> To: ttruong0@attbi.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> In a message dated 3/30/02 12:17:54 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> ttruong0@attbi.com writes:
>
> << I might be wrong but having looked at enough colnagos to know that this
> ain't it. But it is interesting that it seems to have a lot of British
> attributes.
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
> This came up about a week ago. Definitely a Gitane Tour de France. Lok at the
> geometric rear drop outs. I emailed the seller to let him know of the
> mistaken identity, and here it is again!
> Stevan Thomas
> Alameda, CA
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 05:36:27 -0800 (PST)
> From: Fred Rafael Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: fred_rednor@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [CR]Campagnolo Ramblings
> To: swampmtn <swampmtn@siscom.net>, nickzz@mindspring.com,
> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> > ...but I believe "record" is one of those words
> > recognized as "commonly used foreign word " in
> > Italy.
> Plus, there seems to be areal affinity for the limited
> use of a few English words in the Italian cycling (and
> motoring) world. I once cycled through Italy at the
> same time the Giro was being raced - this was about
> 20 years ago - and was often on the same roads as the
> race but a day before or after the various stages.
> I was struck that the fans used the word "win" quite
> a bit when painting their favorites' names on the road;
> e.g. "Win Sarroni" or "Win Moser".
> Also, near the end of the trip, we went on a large
> group ride in Pisa, organized by the Touring Club
> Italiano. I was even more surprised by that one, as
> the club is a large nation-wide organization.
> CiaĆ³,
> Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover
> http://greetings.yahoo.com/
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 14
> From: "Takao Noda" <tanoda@d1.dion.ne.jp>
> To: "Classic Bike List" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Campagnolo Ramblings
> Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 23:52:34 +0900
>
> When we went a ride to see the Milano -Sanremo 1983,
> we visited a small workshop along a canal south of Milan to borrow some
> tools.
> It was very old and shabby, so I was interested in its bicycles.
> But I found its brand name was ' International' ( not even '
> Internazionale' ) .
> Could you accept such a logo on downtube of Italian bike? I could not .
> Have any of you seen this 'International ' bicycle?
> Takao Noda
> Hachioji Tokyo Japan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred Rafael Rednor" <fred_rednor@yahoo.com>
> To: "swampmtn" <swampmtn@siscom.net>; <nickzz@mindspring.com>;
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 10:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR]Campagnolo Ramblings
>
>
> > > ...but I believe "record" is one of those words
> > > recognized as "commonly used foreign word " in
> > > Italy.
> > Plus, there seems to be areal affinity for the limited
> > use of a few English words in the Italian cycling (and
> > motoring) world. I once cycled through Italy at the
> > same time the Giro was being raced - this was about
> > 20 years ago - and was often on the same roads as the
> > race but a day before or after the various stages.
> > I was struck that the fans used the word "win" quite
> > a bit when painting their favorites' names on the road;
> > e.g. "Win Sarroni" or "Win Moser".
> > Also, near the end of the trip, we went on a large
> > group ride in Pisa, organized by the Touring Club
> > Italiano. I was even more surprised by that one, as
> > the club is a large nation-wide organization.
> > CiaĆ³,
> > Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 09:48:23 -0800
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> From: "joel metz, ifbma/sfbma" <magpie@messengers.org>
> Subject: [CR]TA bb cup question...
>
> ok, i thought i had this nailed down, but now im a little stumped and
> doubtful...
>
> TA bb cups typically come in 3 forms - a single ring, double ring, or no ring
> engraved around the spindle hole. i had previously thought that this indicated
> whether the cup was french, british or italian threads, but...
>
> 1. i know single ring engraving denotes british threading, as ive seen cup
> pairs with such engraving packaged as "ref:709w" - and a "w" in a TA ref:
> number indicates british threading.
>
> 2. i can thread the same lockring onto adjustable cups i have - one is
> single ring, one double.
>
> 3. my guerciotti has cups with no engraving. (yes, i know, italian bike with
> french components, im very naughty... but never mind that :) )
>
> so, here i am, stumped - and while all the TA stuff i have indicates that
> TA bb cups were available in french, british, italian and swiss (argh!)
> threading, none of it says which is which...
>
> anyone capable of clearing this up?
>
> thanks!
>
> -joel
> --
> joel metz : magpie@messengers.org : http://www.blackbirdsf.org
> bike messengers worldwide : ifbma : http://www.messengers.org
> po box 191443 san francisco ca 94119-1443 usa
> ==
> i know what innocence looks like - and it wasn't there,
> after she got that bicycle...
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 16
> From: "Jim McCoin" <j.mccoin@attbi.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 10:45:02 -0800
> Subject: [CR]white latex
>
> Greetings Listmembers , do any of you have any experience with what =
> appears to be white latex used as a rim glue , specifically what do you =
> use to remove it , its very tough and scraping it does not move it .
> Next Sunday is the Silicon Valley Ride , how would you feel if we made =
> it as much of a Bianchi ride as possible , needless to say all are =
> welcome .
> Jim McCoin
> Fremont Ca .
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> _______________________________________________


>

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