Re: [CR] Group Physics here stinks! (on topic)

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Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 20:39:58 -0700
From: "Chuck Schmidt" <>
Subject: Re: [CR] Group Physics here stinks! (on topic)
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Warren Young wrote:
> Mike Kone writes..snip
> He said of COURSE there is ENTROPY - but it is
> less than one percent and perhaps closer to one tenth of a percent.
> snip
> I should think that any energy loss even approaching one percent would be
> highly significant over the duration of a long, hilly race.
> This discussion is getting down to brass tacks...does anyone have the
> empirical date about how much flex or deflection there is in an Alan or
> Vitus compared to a C-dale? We could "handicap" a frame based on energy
> loss based on Stevans "order of magnitude" analysis.
> Unfortunately we are going to have a very difficult time pro-rating(?) the
> same flexible frames for the degree to which they reduce fatigue. Comfort
> is not easily measured except by the results we see, ie: Sean Kelly winning
> on a noodle bike.
> I'm not serious about the analysis. Hell I'm not even capable. I think
> we've hit the wall on this one.
> I really do like to ride my SL frame, but I feel faster on my EL-OS bike. I
> guess I'm a victim of the stiff-is-good myth that has been
> perpetuated...maybe.

Ahhhhh, finally the end. Wall hit.

My turn to comment. Welllll boys and girls, it's time for you to go out and actually ride these things instead of the endless conjecture.

I have a Vitus KAS team bike and know exactly how it compares to the rest of my stable. But the only way for the rest of you to know is to go out and find one if you care. Not that hard and certainly not that expensive given the low opinion most of the bike world has for the aluminum Vitus.

I am a student of the bike and there will always be a lot to learn. My advice to the group: do your homework!

Chuck "average student" Schmidt South Pasadena, Southern California

ps don't ask; I love my Vitus...